Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
If we look at the definitions of nationalism - 1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a sentiment based on common cultural characteristics that binds a population and often produces a policy of national independence or separatism 2. loyalty or devotion to one's country; patriotism 3. exaggerated, passionate, or fanatical devotion to a national community;
1 & 2 are reasonable, but 3 may be questionable.
NATION - A people who share common customs, origins, history, and frequently language.
- - -
If governments are instituted to secure rights, and cooperation in the defense of property rights is the basis for government, then a people sharing a common language and customs will have the best chance for success.
Conversely, a group of people who have no common language and customs will not easily cooperate in the mutual defense of property rights from predators.
“The place where I was born and spent my childhood gave direction to all my future struggles. In Bialystok the inhabitants were divided into four distinct elements: Russians, Poles, Germans and Jews; each of these spoke their own language and looked on all the others as enemies.”
- - - L. L. Zamenhof, in a letter to N. Borovko, ca. 1895
It is logical to conclude that any nation whose existence is based on defending rights would be most effective if it has a common language and customs. Whereas, predators who seek to prey on others would prefer to divide and conquer, encouraging strife.
When, as a nation, you are a nation-State, it's not an issue.
However, when, as a nation, you are in a country and being oppressed, it is not wrong, because the only way to eliminate the oppression is to secede, declare independence or engage in revolution.
Catalan would be a good example. A nation within a country that is being oppressed and they sought independence.
When, as a nation, you are a nation-State, it's not an issue.
However, when, as a nation, you are in a country and being oppressed, it is not wrong, because the only way to eliminate the oppression is to secede, declare independence or engage in revolution.
Catalan would be a good example. A nation within a country that is being oppressed and they sought independence.
Nationalism teaches people to hate other people that they've never met? I stopped watching after that. That's not what nationalism is about. Nationalism is first and foremost about liberty and independence from hegemony.
Yeah, well... healthy human beings usually feel some connection to their family, extended family, ancestors, home town, country, etc. So it's natural for them to take some pride in the accomplishments of those they feel connected to. I suspect Doug Stanhope grew up without developing many feelings like that. He's messed up. You don't want to be Doug Stanhope.
That's because you've never had to understand it. As part of the majority, you were never affected.
If you would be a member of the Chickasaw Nation, you'd understand.
If you lived in the Balkans you'd understand.
Like Romania. The "superpowers" gave away Bessarabia to the Russians.
When Romania complained, the "superpowers" said, well, we gave you Transylvania in the Treaty of Triannon.
So, there's Romanians in Bessarabia now in Ukraine chaffing under Russia and then the Szekelys in Transylvania who would rather be in Hungaria. Ethnically, they're Magyars, you know Huns.
What the hell people?
That's the kind of nonsense the big brain you-Harvards do and then people wonder why there's nationalism and irredentism (a facet of nationalism).
America has no use for nationalism. You made it, you have arrived...how many times must it be said....USA is a first world country like many other countries, so people living in a mature democracy who think nationalism is a good idea are nuts.
America has no use for nationalism. You made it, you have arrived...how many times must it be said....USA is a first world country like many other countries, so people living in a mature democracy who think nationalism is a good idea are nuts.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JBT1980
Never understood nationalism. Taking pride for accomplishments you had nothing to do with.
Yeah, when all that matters is your own economic success, the feeling of being part of something bigger dissipates.
That is why so many Americans only care about their own family and nothing else.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
