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He could have kept going is what this poster is saying. He's not like the one pretending Arbery was further away.
They were pointing a gun at him.....and yes he could have kept running and maybe they would have shot him in the back. He was trying desperately to save himself. Maybe he didn't make the right decision -- but he shouldn't have had to make the decision in the first place...even if he did steal something -- which he didn't -- he had nothing in his hands....
There is no justifying the actions of the guys with the guns.
Ironically one of them left their gun in an unlocked car and it was stolen previously. That's a huge problem for me. These people are not the brightest and shouldn't be allowed to have guns...all you smart, responsible people who wouldn't go chasing a random guy down the street pointing a gun or leaving your gun in the car unlocked should be able to own a gun -- these numbskulls clearly shouldn't.
Following someone and getting out of your vehicle is not attempting an arrest. Saying "we want to talk to you" is not attempting an arrest.
Even if we assume that they would have attempted an arrest at some point, they never got the chance to because Arbery doubled back and attacked them for following him.
All that is in the 911 call is STOP! You'd think they'd want to repeat 'We just want to talk to you' if that was the case. Re-assure him. We don't know that they ever said that at all.
Interesting I just received an email from Change.org this week to sign a petition to disbar prosecutor George E. Barnhill.
This was what the email stated.
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George Barnhill is a prosecutor in Georgia. After two white men shot Ahmaud Arbery in February, Barnhill said the killing was "justifiable." Thousands are demanding the disbarment of Barnhill over his treatment of the case. "We need to feel like there is justice in the justice system," writes Destiny on this petition. She needs your signature today to make sure there is accountability for the way law enforcement handled Ahmaud’s death.
We are calling for the disbarment of prosecutor George E. Barnhill. We feel his decision to sit on the case of Ahmaud Arbery’s murder for three months was out of prejudice/racism and a personal relationship with the murderers.
We need to feel like there is JUSTICE in the justice system and not based on racism, prejudice, or personal feelings. Mr. Barnhill displayed a clear case of not being able to disconnect himself from this case and look at the clear cut facts involved.
Also we are very aware that Mr McMichael was a police officer who worked CLOSLEY with the district attorney’s office up until last year. How many murders has Mr. Barnhill covered up against minorities using the "self defense and citizens arrest statute"?
We the people do not feel justice can be served appropriately with a prosecutor like Mr Barnhill receiving these cases and sweeping them under the rug without even PRESENTING them properly. We feel he is operating based on his own personal agenda. He should not get to decide whether or not our sons, brothers, or fathers even DESERVE justice before their stories get their day in court.
Also we ask that all other cases that have crossed his desk be looked over again by a non bias party. How many others have been murdered in silence.
A reasonable person who was caught in a house they didn't belong in, who knew exactly why they were being chased, and knew exactly what their intentions were, would not feel like a violent injury was likely to happen. They'd know that having to deal with the cops was likely to happen, and that's what he was trying to avoid.
You attempt to erase nearly all of the facts of the case in order to push your false narrative and it's just not going to work.
When the thief made the decision to attack those "chasing" him were stationary and he'd already run past them. There was absolutely no reason to think that violent injury was imminent.
He went into fight mode after he had already tried flight. Under GA stand your ground law, he had no legal requirement to try to get away from men who were chasing him and set up a road block and was standing in the road with a shotgun while their buddy Roddy herded him from the back. He was well within his right to try to defend himself from their assault.
Based on what? He already had run past them....they already had "let him pass". Were they going to keep following him? Sure, but you can't say they weren't going to let him pass when he already had passed them when he decided to double back and attack them. It just doesn't make sense.
When did they let him pass them?
Travis went to the front of the truck where you say he passed which he really didnt.
Are you talking about somewhere else during this chase?
No they weren't. The video shows the shotgun pointing down. Can you point us to the evidance that says he pointed the gun at Arbery because I haven't seen or heard of any.
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....and yes he could have kept running and maybe they would have shot him in the back. He was trying desperately to save himself. Maybe he didn't make the right decision -- but he shouldn't have had to make the decision in the first place...even if he did steal something -- which he didn't -- he had nothing in his hands....
That's one way to look at it, but it in the end, it was his actions that caused his own death.
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There is no justifying the actions of the guys with the guns.
Yes there is and it's been discussed ad nauseam. That you refuse to see it is on you.
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Ironically one of them left their gun in an unlocked car and it was stolen previously. That's a huge problem for me.
Has nothing to do with the case. That is a huge problem for people who look to solve the problem.
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These people are not the brightest and shouldn't be allowed to have guns...
It's called the 2nd amendment. how come you aren't smart enough to know that?
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all you smart, responsible people who wouldn't go chasing a random guy down the street pointing a gun or leaving your gun in the car unlocked should be able to own a gun -- these numbskulls clearly shouldn't.
They didn't point a gun at him, that we know of. Men defend their property and neighborhood. Cowards make excuses and don't get involved.
You may have run past the vehicle, but not so far you would be backtracking.
When you run from behind a vehicle, to beyond the front of the vehicle, and end up pretty far to the left of the vehicle, you have backtracked rather than continuing to move forward.
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All that is in the 911 call is STOP! You'd think they'd want to repeat 'We just want to talk to you' if that was the case. Re-assure him. We don't know that they ever said that at all.
When someone decides to charge at me, I'm not going to say more than "STOP", you don't have a full on conversation with a charging attacker.
Yes, he was trespassing. You don't own the site, you don't live there, just because the building/project is still under construction does not mean anyone has a free pass to walk through the property
Someone caught trespassing on another person’s property can face trouble, even possibly a civil lawsuit. But trespass is first and foremost a criminal offense.
While state laws define criminal trespassing somewhat differently, the typical elements of the crime are:
intentionally entering or remaining on
someone else’s property
without authorization.
Which doesn't matter since the McMichaels did not see him entering or leaving the house, they said that they saw him "hauling a**" down the street.
Seeing someone running down the street is not a legal reason to chase them, corral them, and confront them with weapons.
When he ran past the truck, they let him pass them. We know this by the fact that they let him run all the way past the truck. They were parked in the street well before he got there, so they could have done something to prevent him passing them if that was their real goal.
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