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The interpretation isn't that simply seeing someone with a weapon can make a person feel threatened.
That's just you playing games.
Seeing someone with a weapon who has been following you and accosting you would be seen by the majority of people as posing a threat.
Well lets not forget that when Travis merely saw Arbery in the front yard of the construction site 2 weeks earlier he felt threated and he never saw a gun. He claims he thought there was a gun because he claims Arbery put his hands in his pants.
Travis felt so threatened he quickly drove away to get Daddy and one or more guns.......not sure if he had a gun in his car at that time.
Seems to be a big double standard at work over who is allowed to be threatened by what lol.
Yes, he was being chased because he was in a house that doesn't belong to him, I see how you omitted that information.
He knew exactly why he was being chased, so there was no reason whatsoever to feel like he was being threatened physically. The fact that he attacked them shows that the men had reason to be armed. They were clearly dealing with a ridiculously violent person.
Most people aren't violent enough to attack a group of armed men. He was. Imagine what might have happened had they not been prepared for his attack?
The two guys had zero legal authority to attempt to detain and make a citizens arrest due to Arbery being in the house. I see how you omit that information.
Arbery had zero obligation to talk to and follow any instructions the two men gave. I see how you omit that information.
Being chased by two guys with guns is being threatened.
Arbery invoked self defense, a person does not have to wait to be shot or shot at to invoke defending themselves from being shot. The purpose of the guy getting out of the truck with his gun was to threaten Arbery with deadly force, there is zero other reason to have his gun out in this manner except for threatening to use it, threatening to use it for not being allowed to be unlawfully detained.
His trespassing was a misdemeanor, something that does not rise to the level to make a citizens arrest, let alone to threaten the use of deadly force. Furthermore, the two guys had zero knowledge if Arbery even had permission to be there or not, and "guessing" does not rise to the level of a citizens arrest for a misdemeanor crime.
He saw that person running down the driveway on the phone with the cops and it caused him to flee. That's what I mean by saying he was "chased out".
He saw someone in their driveway on their cell phone. He was out jogging anyway. You don't know that he was fleeing. And you'll never know what he was thinking. Because he is DEAD.
There were no cops there for him to be running from the cops.
The cops were called on him, he was running away. That's running from the cops.
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
A woman is walking to work one morning, and a man in a pickup pulls up and offers her a ride. She politely declines and walks on. He pulls up again, and makes a suggestive remark. She ignores him, keeps on walking. That evening, as she is walking home, she sees the man in the pickup. He's parked at the side of the road. When she walks past, he starts his vehicle and proceeds to follow her. At what point should she feel threatened?
You are inventing a completely different scenario with elements that are completely lacking from this case. It's telling the extremes you have to go to in order to try and justify Arbery's decision to charge in and assault people for following him.
A woman is walking to work one morning, and a man in a pickup pulls up and offers her a ride. She politely declines and walks on. He pulls up again, and makes a suggestive remark. She ignores him, keeps on walking. That evening, as she is walking home, she sees the man in the pickup. He's parked at the side of the road. When she walks past, he starts his vehicle and proceeds to follow her. At what point should she feel threatened?
Depends, was he ugly or poor?
Did she come running out of a store where she was known to have committed a crime?
He saw someone in their driveway on their cell phone. He was out jogging anyway. You don't know that he was fleeing. And you'll never know what he was thinking. Because he is DEAD.
LOL, this wasn't even the first time he was chased away from that property.....but sure, be disingenuous if you like, it won't advance the conversation.
When you are trespassing and you see a neighbor run out in your direction while on the phone causing you to run away, you know what was going on.
He saw that person running down the driveway on the phone with the cops and it caused him to flee. That's what I mean by saying he was "chased out".
I dont think the video shows the person on the phone running down a driveway. Maybe he ran......we dont know. We do know that per the NY Times he was not standing in a driveway but on the corner in the road at the intersection of Jones Rd and Satilla Dr.
We also dont know if Arberry knew said person was on the phone with the police......maybe he did maybe he didnt. Said person could have been calling the owner of the house.
We dont know if Arberry took notice that there was some scrutiny going on around him being in the house or if he just came out of the house and started running like he had done before apparently.
So while I understand what you are trying to say. We simply dont know all that yet.
The cops were called on him, he was running away. That's running from the cops.
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You arent running from cops if you dont know they were called. We dont know if Arbery knew the cops were called.
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