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Old 05-19-2020, 11:15 AM
 
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Depends, was he ugly or poor?


Did she come running out of a store where she was known to have committed a crime?
What does ugly or poor have to do with it?

She's walking down the street. The driver has no idea whether she has committed a crime or not. The McMichaels had no idea whether Arbery had committed a crime or not. She's walking down the street. A man in a pick-up offers her a ride. She declines. He makes a suggestive remark. She ignores it. That night when she is walking home, the man in the pick-up is parked alongside the road, and when she walks past, he starts his vehicle and follows her. Should she feel threatened? Why or why not?

 
Old 05-19-2020, 11:17 AM
 
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LOL, this wasn't even the first time he was chased away from that property.....but sure, be disingenuous if you like, it won't advance the conversation.

When you are trespassing and you see a neighbor run out in your direction while on the phone causing you to run away, you know what was going on.
You see a neighbor in their driveway on their cell phone. You were out jogging anyway. Why wouldn't you continue jogging?

Just think for one second that Arbery didn't have any intent to steal anything. Just think about that.
 
Old 05-19-2020, 11:24 AM
 
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This one is pretty interesting.

Arbery is sitting in his car at a local park on his day off, and the cop approaches him....seemingly for no GOOD reason. The rest? Well, you be the judge. This is the full vid of that encounter.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/...r-2017-georgia
What PD was this officer in the above article employed? Not that it relates to the 2020 murder or anything. Just curious if it's the same PD that is now at the center of investigation for a history of corruption and wrongdoings, including but not limited to falsifying police reports to protect their own.
 
Old 05-19-2020, 11:28 AM
 
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What PD was this officer in the above article employed?
Glynn County Sheriff.

And yes, they’re under serious investigation.

What caught my attention is that Arbery is one helluva physical specimen. That taser didn’t do squat to him. And it’s crazy how when he was shot in the chest, he kept fighting for a good while until they shot him again.

Dude was skinny, but he was fit.
 
Old 05-19-2020, 11:28 AM
 
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I dont think the video shows the person on the phone running down a driveway. Maybe he ran......we dont know. We do know that per the NY Times he was not standing in a driveway but on the corner in the road at the intersection of Jones Rd and Satilla Dr.

We also dont know if Arberry knew said person was on the phone with the police......maybe he did maybe he didnt. Said person could have been calling the owner of the house.

We dont know if Arberry took notice that there was some scrutiny going on around him being in the house or if he just came out of the house and started running like he had done before apparently.

So while I understand what you are trying to say. We simply dont know all that yet.

It seems like he just continued jogging in the direction he had been going before he paused at the construction site. If he were the least bit spooked by anything he saw at that point and/or thinking with a guilty mind, the fastest way to flee would be at a dead run to the left. It's only about 0.2 miles to the highway from 220 Saltilla, or he could have disappeared onto Zellwood and then headed up to the highway. Despite those two options, he casually heads deeper into a neighborhood that will eventually trap him.
 
Old 05-19-2020, 11:31 AM
 
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What does ugly or poor have to do with it?

She's walking down the street. The driver has no idea whether she has committed a crime or not. The McMichaels had no idea whether Arbery had committed a crime or not. She's walking down the street. A man in a pick-up offers her a ride. She declines. He makes a suggestive remark. She ignores it. That night when she is walking home, the man in the pick-up is parked alongside the road, and when she walks past, he starts his vehicle and follows her. Should she feel threatened? Why or why not?
The roadblock the McMichaels set up would alarm and feel potentially threatening to any sane person even if they walked, ran, or drove into it while doing nothing even remotely illegal or suspicious and totally minding their own business.

Occasionally, private citizens are in the roadway and directing traffic away from an injured person/animal until authorities arrive.

But, when is the last time anyone in here saw a roadblock set up by private citizens who are armed with one of the armed men standing in the bed of the truck towering over anyone who approaches.

If you arent threatened by that sitch, then you are a danged fool.

The only reason you wouldnt feel threatened is if you believed you had wandered onto a movie set by accident.
 
Old 05-19-2020, 11:35 AM
 
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It seems like he just continued jogging in the direction he had been going before he paused at the construction site. If he were the least bit spooked by anything he saw at that point and/or thinking with a guilty mind, the fastest way to flee would be at a dead run to the left. It's only about 0.2 miles to the highway from 220 Saltilla, or he could have disappeared onto Zellwood and then headed up to the highway. Despite those two options, he casually heads deeper into a neighborhood that will eventually trap him.
Good points.
 
Old 05-19-2020, 11:35 AM
 
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The roadblock the McMichaels set up would alarm and feel potentially threatening to any sane person even if they walked, ran, or drove into it while doing nothing even remotely illegal or suspicious and totally minding their own business.

Occasionally, private citizens are in the roadway and directing traffic away from an injured person/animal until authorities arrive.

But, when is the last time anyone in here saw a roadblock set up by private citizens who are armed with one of the armed men standing in the bed of the truck towering over anyone who approaches.

If you arent threatened by that sitch, then you are a danged fool.

The only reason you wouldnt feel threatened is if you believed you had wandered onto a movie set by accident.
I concur, but there are posters on this thread insisting that Arbery had no reason to feel threatened. I am trying to ascertain how those posters determine if a threat exists or not.
 
Old 05-19-2020, 11:42 AM
 
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Glynn County Sheriff.

And yes, they’re under serious investigation.

What caught my attention is that Arbery is one helluva physical specimen. That taser didn’t do squat to him. And it’s crazy how when he was shot in the chest, he kept fighting for a good while until they shot him again.

Dude was skinny, but he was fit.

Makes me wonder if the taser was operating or operated correctly. I'd expect at least a reflexive muscle twitch. I can't believe a shock was actually transmitted.
 
Old 05-19-2020, 11:44 AM
 
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I concur, but there are posters on this thread insisting that Arbery had no reason to feel threatened. I am trying to ascertain how those posters determine if a threat exists or not.
They said they wanted to question him. What in particular would he feel threatened about ?
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