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Old 05-23-2020, 11:23 AM
 
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The CDC just came out with a report that should be earth-shattering to the narrative of the political class, yet it will go into the thick pile of vital data and information about the virus that is not getting out to the public. For the first time, the CDC has attempted to offer a real estimate of the overall death rate for COVID-19, and under its most likely scenario, the number is 0.26%. Officials estimate a 0.4% fatality rate among those who are symptomatic and project a 35% rate of asymptomatic cases among those infected, which drops the overall infection fatality rate (IFR) to just 0.26% — almost exactly where Stanford researchers pegged it a month ago.


Until now, we have been ridiculed for thinking the death rate was that low, as opposed to the 3.4% estimate of the World Health Organization, which helped drive the panic and the lockdowns. Now the CDC is agreeing to the lower rate in plain ink.

Plus, ultimately we might find out that the IFR is even lower because numerous studies and hard counts of confined populations have shown a much higher percentage of asymptomaticcases. Simply adjusting for a 50% asymptomatic rate would drop their fatality rate to 0.2% – exactly the rate of fatality Dr. John Ionnidis of Stanford University projected.

More importantly, as I mentioned before, the overall death rate is meaningless because the numbers are so lopsided. Given that at least half of the deaths were in nursing homes, a back-of-the-envelope estimate would show that the infection fatality rate for non-nursing home residents would only be 0.1% or 1 in 1,000. And that includes people of all ages and all health statuses outside of nursing homes. Since nearly all of the deaths are those with comorbidities.

The CDC estimates the death rate from COVID-19 for those under 50 is 1 in 5,000 for those with symptoms, which would be 1 in 6,725 overall, but again, almost all those who die have specific comorbidities or underlying conditions. Those without them are more likely to die in a car accident. And schoolchildren, whose lives, mental health, and education we are destroying, are more likely to get struck by lightning.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html
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Old 05-23-2020, 11:26 AM
 
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So it looks like President Trump and Rush Limbaugh were right all along, while the so-called "Experts" at the WHO and the panic promoting mass media have been consistently and spectacularly wrong.

What a complete fiasco this has been.
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Old 05-23-2020, 11:29 AM
 
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I don't know where that number comes from but if you do the math on their reported cases and deaths, the number is even smaller than that. That's been discussed for a while now.
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Old 05-23-2020, 11:34 AM
 
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Yes, but the number comes from the CDC who liberals have been touting as infallible.


So the questions is, what do the doom prophets say now?
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Old 05-23-2020, 11:37 AM
 
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So it looks like President Trump and Rush Limbaugh were right all along, while the so-called "Experts" at the WHO and the panic promoting mass media have been consistently and spectacularly wrong.

What a complete fiasco this has been.
So Trumpy-pumpkins was right but didn’t stick to his guns and allowed himself to be fooled by the deep state globalist Bill Gates Soros mind control chemtrail Illuminati?

WEAK
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Old 05-23-2020, 11:39 AM
 
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So Trumpy-pumpkins was right but didn’t stick to his guns and allowed himself to be fooled by the deep state globalist Bill Gates Soros mind control chemtrail Illuminati?

WEAK

Wow, that's really what you're going with? No opinion about the media's and Democrats' complicity in all this?


Weak indeed.
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Old 05-23-2020, 11:44 AM
 
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I don't know where your number comes from either, but with numbers reported (by the CDC) on May 22 of 1,571,617 total cases reported and 94,639 total deaths reported, that equals 6%.
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Old 05-23-2020, 11:48 AM
 
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I linked the CDC in my original post, because that is where the numbers come from.
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Old 05-23-2020, 12:00 PM
 
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Wow, that's really what you're going with? No opinion about the media's and Democrats' complicity in all this?


Weak indeed.
I don’t think the Democrats and the American media compared to create a global pandemic so there’s nothing for them to be complicit in.
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Old 05-23-2020, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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The CDC just came out with a report that should be earth-shattering to the narrative of the political class, yet it will go into the thick pile of vital data and information about the virus that is not getting out to the public. For the first time, the CDC has attempted to offer a real estimate of the overall death rate for COVID-19, and under its most likely scenario, the number is 0.26%. Officials estimate a 0.4% fatality rate among those who are symptomatic and project a 35% rate of asymptomatic cases among those infected, which drops the overall infection fatality rate (IFR) to just 0.26% — almost exactly where Stanford researchers pegged it a month ago.


Until now, we have been ridiculed for thinking the death rate was that low, as opposed to the 3.4% estimate of the World Health Organization, which helped drive the panic and the lockdowns. Now the CDC is agreeing to the lower rate in plain ink.

Plus, ultimately we might find out that the IFR is even lower because numerous studies and hard counts of confined populations have shown a much higher percentage of asymptomaticcases. Simply adjusting for a 50% asymptomatic rate would drop their fatality rate to 0.2% – exactly the rate of fatality Dr. John Ionnidis of Stanford University projected.

More importantly, as I mentioned before, the overall death rate is meaningless because the numbers are so lopsided. Given that at least half of the deaths were in nursing homes, a back-of-the-envelope estimate would show that the infection fatality rate for non-nursing home residents would only be 0.1% or 1 in 1,000. And that includes people of all ages and all health statuses outside of nursing homes. Since nearly all of the deaths are those with comorbidities.

The CDC estimates the death rate from COVID-19 for those under 50 is 1 in 5,000 for those with symptoms, which would be 1 in 6,725 overall, but again, almost all those who die have specific comorbidities or underlying conditions. Those without them are more likely to die in a car accident. And schoolchildren, whose lives, mental health, and education we are destroying, are more likely to get struck by lightning.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html
I find this interesting, considering how every other country except Russia, has a death rate in line with what the experts said... Somewhere around 6-10x the normal flu death rate.

Somehow, NYC has a death rate in line with the rest of the world, but not the rest of the US, despite the being the epicenter.

But somehow you found data that says the US, except NYC, has a fraction of the deaths per capital, than every other country.

Either you're lying or you're misreading your data.
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