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View Poll Results: Would you take a coronavirus/COVID-19/WuFlu immunization if available?
yes 99 50.00%
no 67 33.84%
maybe 29 14.65%
other, explain below 3 1.52%
Voters: 198. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-01-2020, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Here
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This is word salad. You are trying to sound "sciencey" but there is no science in your statement. It is gibberish.
Explain “gibberish” if you would kindly entertain a question on my part.
Go ahead.
I DARE you.

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Old 06-01-2020, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Yes, Edwin is a coconut farmer in Samoa. Do you happen to have any contacts who had boots on the ground in Samoa during the measles outbreak? The vitamin C (& A) worked.



Wrong. Etiology is the study of causation or origination. Epidemiology is the study and analysis of the distribution of health and disease conditions.
The physicians on the ground in Samoa describe very sick patients coming into their hospitals because alt med did not work.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/19/w...a-measles.html

"'People go to traditional healers and present really late, and that’s why we have a lot of critical cases,' said Frances Vulivuli, a doctor with Unicef, adding that many babies had been close to death on arrival."

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss19.../section1.html

"However, while the clinician usually focuses on treating and caring for the individual, the epidemiologist focuses on identifying the exposure or source that caused the illness; the number of other persons who may have been similarly exposed; the potential for further spread in the community; and interventions to prevent additional cases or recurrences."
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Old 06-02-2020, 03:10 PM
 
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The last time I got the flu shot 10 years ago, I got the flu and almost died. Ever since then, I haven't.

My philosophy is to never trust a vaccine that is offered for free at a grocery store or a Wal-Mart .
I was talked into it a few years ago and did okay but I won't do it again. That was the only time I got it. My mom on the other hand got her flu shot another year and got the flu anyway.


I won't be getting this one. I don't need it and it's probably even more dangerous than the flu shot because it's going to be less proven due to this being a new virus. I never got my last HPV shot. I heard too many things about it and it literally frightened me. It could have been lies or misunderstandings (take everything I read with a grain of salt) but I wasn't prepared to find out if they were right.
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Old 06-03-2020, 02:32 AM
 
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What if in the attempt make the perfect vaccine they develop a hyper strain without even knowing it. The long term results from side effects remain to be seen. You’ve seen the side effects listed in horrific detail on the endless array of pharmaceutical commercials.
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Old 06-03-2020, 02:38 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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What if in the attempt make the perfect vaccine they develop a hyper strain without even knowing it. The long term results from side effects remain to be seen. You’ve seen the side effects listed in horrific detail on the endless array of pharmaceutical commercials.
Developing a vaccine will not create a "hyper strain" - whatever that is.

That is not the way vaccines work. The organisms in vaccines are either dead or weakened, not "hyper".
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Old 06-03-2020, 04:17 AM
 
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I would get it in a heartbeat. I would also get tested but in Maryland you can only get tested if you show symptoms and get permission from your primary care rep first. They have "free" testing to all for a few hours a week in (3) three sites across the state if you willing to pretty much take the day off and get in line. There needs to be more access to testing for everyone - the swab test costs almost nothing to administer.
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Old 06-03-2020, 04:59 AM
 
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After all the flip-flopping and contradictory info on the covid, hell no. You'd be crazy to trust this.
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:32 AM
 
Location: New York City
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After all the flip-flopping and contradictory info on the covid, hell no. You'd be crazy to trust this.
Which is a bizarre point of view. The contradictory info on covid was a lot of guidelines based on little or no information and presumptions. The purpose of vaccine trials is to have large controlled studies with enough evidence to make a conclusion. Once those conclude, you have hard facts to base your choice to accept the vaccine.
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:51 AM
 
Location: New York City
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They could make a synthetic variant of the strain chemically and simply reposition the molecule that neutralizes its composition that causes the defending organism to more easily and efficiently render the virus inoperative such that the biological component is such that the body under attack
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This is word salad. You are trying to sound "sciencey" but there is no science in your statement. It is gibberish.
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Explain “gibberish” if you would kindly entertain a question on my part.
Go ahead. I DARE you.
rofl, there is science there but yes it is word salad attempting to sound knowledgeable on the topic
  • "They could make a synthetic variant of the strain chemically"
The 'strain' is an RNA virus, RNA being a single strand of nucleotide bases as opposed to double helix of DNA. The bases are chemicals already, changing the bases (which they are already doing - you are not suggesting anything new) is not making something synthetic, it's genetically modifying it
  • "and simply reposition the molecule that neutralizes its composition"
This is definitely gibberish and incoherent. You probably meant 'neutralize it's effect". You would also never 'reposition' a molecule. In gene splicing you remove bases or add them, there is no way to move it to a different place in the sequence
  • "that causes the defending organism to more easily and efficiently render the virus inoperative"
The idea with a vaccine is to trigger the body to identify the threat and (1) develop antibodies to attack/block the virus and (2) instruct existing T-Cells to attack the virus. The coronavirus RNA payload is contained in a membrane with spike proteins. A common approach here is to vaccinate with that same spike protein envelope but containing a harmless payload so the body learns to recognize the shape without the harm of a runaway infection
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Old 06-03-2020, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Developing a vaccine will not create a "hyper strain" - whatever that is.

That is not the way vaccines work. The organisms in vaccines are either dead or weakened, not "hyper".
Umm you realize that the virus itself is not alive, right?

You really should do more research when you post. Much of what you're posting in this thread is straight up misinformation.
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