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As I was saying the other day, this forum is an excellent cross-section of American society writ large. National polls that recently indicated nearly half of Americans would not get a vaccine. This CD poll is nearly spot-on- 42 no/maybe; 38 yes.
I'm all for that. But it must be done correctly. There hasn't been a vaccine for a coronavirus ever developed, and the closest one, the flu vaccine, isn't even very effective and has injured millions of people.
This vaccine should be properly vetted and tested before it's put to market. I don't like the idea of putting out a vaccine in less than a year and then having people be guinea pigs. Especially since an RNA vaccine hasn't ever been done before and it seems like this one will be RNA based. Very very dangerous stuff. This isn't your basic tetanus or hepatitis vaccine.
An RNA vaccine is only one option. Do not worry, once the RNA gives its message to the cell to produce an antigen that will result in an immune response, the RNA is degraded. It is not there permanently.
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If the vaccine is given proper testing/vetting vs. "fast tracked" because of the pandemic, I would get it.
If they rush it to market in less than 18mos with only cursory testing prior to "emergency" approval by the FDA, I'll wait.
"Fast tracked" just means the paperwork is expedited. The testing still has to be done.
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If you say so.
If the shoe fits ...
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Especially mrna vaccines that could potentially alter your DNA/genetics!
In addition to the homology between the rubella vaccine and the coronavirus, there is also the nonspecific effect of measles vaccine on reducing the risk of getting other infections.
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It looks like what they're trying to push, yes. It's starting with contact tracing and sadly, I think it may get to this level.
Because never have I ever seen this kind of odd Orwellian response to a bad flu that has a 99.8% survival rate.
Contact tracing is standard epidemiology. No one is going to put you on a train to a concentration camp.
It is not a "bad flu" because it is not "a flu" at all. It is an entirely different virus.
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Not only that, but corona virus has been around forever, and they haven't managed to make a vaccine for any of them. But people think this time it will be different.
The one that they have been using for cats who get FIP, which is caused by a corona virus, and they've been getting it long before this virus came around, is highly controversial - so even for cats they can't come up with a vaccine that everyone agrees with.
So, hell no, I will not get this vaccine. The way that these governments have been handling all of this, and continue to handle all of this, and how they may handle it in the near future, I trust all of this even less than I do now.
"Rush to create a vaccine" - the fact that those words do not instill at least a small amount of skepticism, or fear, in some people, is alarming. And people wonder how things like Jonestown could have happened.
There is a canine coronavirus vaccine, too. If the experts thought making one would be impossible they would not even try.
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I won't take a vaccine. I'm healthy and I trust my immune system. It's the same reason I won't wear a mask. I'm not scared.
Not scared ... and have no consideration for the effect on others if you do get sick.
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Just because it might work this year doesn't mean the vaccine would work next year. Viruses mutate.
All viruses mutate. This one is not showing mutations that might affect the antigens that will be targets for vaccines.
It may be that an old vaccine can intervene and improve on outcomes.
With a less than 100% effectiveness the vaccine may also be nothing more than a placebo engineered to provide the illusion of safety and well being. What exactly does the vaccine do other than expose the individual to a weakened variant of that particular pharmaceutically created strain of which the injected person may not likely ever encounter again. The vaccinated individual could actually contract a significantly stronger and much more potent variant of the disease to which the body would be unable to process or defend itself.
Generally speaking, I'm not in favor of mandating anything, but consider: until we achieve herd immunity, we are likely to continue to see cases, probably wave after wave, and will never fully re-open, but require restrictions and social distancing. There are two ways to get herd immunity. 1) 70% or more of the population gets infected. This would take years, and cost hundreds of thousands of lives. 2) 70% or more get vaccinated.
I assume we would all like to see our country go back to business as usual. The quickest and safest way to do that is through immunization.
In addition to the homology between the rubella vaccine and the coronavirus, there is also the nonspecific effect of measles vaccine on reducing the risk of getting other infections.
Boy are you staying busy - and doing a great job here on the forum!
My wife is still not well as the virus turned off her donor bone marrow. We're about 10 weeks into it and she still needs supports like procrit and neupogen. She gets a Covid 19 AB test with her labs next week.
The virus is still here and will be here along with the flu. It's going to get worse as the fall/winter comes. So be prepared to be denied employment, entrance into gov buildings, schools, ect.
Do you have proof of this?
Also, the vaccine isn't out yet, so how can you be denied employment, etc yet?
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