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Old 06-23-2020, 06:09 PM
 
Location: NYC
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I'll say it again, in order for Biden to beat Trump. He has to have all of Clinton's voters and flip 10% of Trump's voters. It's that simple.

What makes people think that Biden can win simply taking every Democrat vote? In case anyone remembers 2016, Clinton had huge support from women and minorities but it wasn't enough. Because 2/3 of white males voted for Trump. Unless Biden can figure out how to take 10% of Trump's voters, he's won't beat Trump who is also an incumbent sitting President. History has always favored the sitting President and very few times they lost. It would have to be a really bad President and a very good challenger. That is why Bill Clinton was able to beat George H. Bush. He is younger and more articulate than Bush. But Biden is both older and not as articulate as Trump in debates.
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Old 06-23-2020, 06:14 PM
 
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I cannot for the life of me fathom how dumb the left is. People are finally realizing what an awful leader Trump is and many in his own party are finally turning on him. You have the Teflon President on the ropes. Usually in times of a national crisis, a president's approval rating rises, Trumps has been dropping. He bungled the Coronavirus response and made no attempt at all to unify the country after George Floyd.

So what does the left do? They refuse to crack down on rioting, looting, burning cities, autonomous zones, statues being defaced and destroyed and they support defunding or abolishing the police.

So instead of Trump versus a moderate, we get Trump versus anarchy and lawlessness.
I'm not saying the left is responsible for this but they DO OWN IT because it is the far left wing of their party that they are not speaking out against and stopping.

All Trump has to do now is run campaign ads with burning cities, statues being toppled, police standing down and scenes from CHAZ/CHOP.

I would GUESS that the calculus from the left here is that any chaos up until election day is a good thing because it will somehow damage Trump. Yet the left OWNS this! He can now paint himself as the law and order candidate, as the ALTERNATIVE to this madness.

This might play well in leftist college campuses and among the woke elites who live in gated communities with their own private security but it is NOT playing well in middle America! People tend to want to know that if they call 9/11 there will be cop sent and not a social worker. They'd like to know that the city they've decided to place their business in that they spent their life savings on will not turn into an autonomous zone where the rule of law no longer applies. They would like to visit a public park without seeing graffiti splattered all over monuments and headless statues.

Trump may be a terrible president but he is an EXCELLENT politician and he will ride this as hard as he can and the left has no one to blame but themselves if he is successful.


That's why I want them to keep it up. All the black urban violence is the best re-election advertising for Trump.


There is a large, relatively silent part of the population that is sick and tired of black and ANTIFA violence, fomented by the dem party.


When liberalism pulls off its mask, it is nothing but a violent, totalitarian movement designed to destroy western civilization.


Liberalism is the greatest threat the US has faced since its inception, as it is an enemy from within.
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Old 06-23-2020, 06:25 PM
 
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So instead of Trump versus a moderate, we get Trump versus anarchy and lawlessness.
I'm not saying the left is responsible for this but they DO OWN IT because it is the far left wing of their party that they are not speaking out against and stopping.

All Trump has to do now is run campaign ads with burning cities, statues being toppled, police standing down and scenes from CHAZ/CHOP.

So, the despot is running on putting down the unrest and chaos that is targeting him, eh?

I have never seen that strategy work. By the time there is unrest in the streets of this magnitude, it's usually too late for the despot to win over the majority of the population; regardless of how destructive the unrest is and how desperately the population wants it to stop.

Usually, the outcome is either martial law on the population or the despot is furiously escaping back to his safe place.

We shall see what happens, but running ads on burning cites, toppled statues, and whatnot are only going to help Biden. It's like a quarterback who accumulates a winless season - even if the fans don't blame him, many will want to get rid of him due to bad karma.

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Old 06-23-2020, 06:27 PM
 
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Strawman.

Does the right not realize that most people on the left didn't, and wouldn't, participate in riots?

Does the right not realize that many/most people on the left disapprove of rioters, most of whom this liberal considers to be thugs?

Does the right not realize that rioters don't represent "the left" anymore than, say, racists represent the right?
The middle left is being mobbed by neo-Marxists and are letting it happen. Where’s Biden? Why isn’t he speaking out about the violence? Does he think the White House should be torched by the mob because it represents white supremacy? Do you all think Lincoln should be defaced and removed? That’s the sick disease of the mob’s mental state. Your side is encouraging destruction and takeover by the mob. If you don’t speak up and put a stop to it, you are all part of the problem.
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Old 06-23-2020, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by fasterplease909 View Post
I cannot for the life of me fathom how dumb the left is. People are finally realizing what an awful leader Trump is and many in his own party are finally turning on him. You have the Teflon President on the ropes. Usually in times of a national crisis, a president's approval rating rises, Trumps has been dropping. He bungled the Coronavirus response and made no attempt at all to unify the country after George Floyd.

So what does the left do? They refuse to crack down on rioting, looting, burning cities, autonomous zones, statues being defaced and destroyed and they support defunding or abolishing the police.

So instead of Trump versus a moderate, we get Trump versus anarchy and lawlessness.
I'm not saying the left is responsible for this but they DO OWN IT because it is the far left wing of their party that they are not speaking out against and stopping.

All Trump has to do now is run campaign ads with burning cities, statues being toppled, police standing down and scenes from CHAZ/CHOP.

I would GUESS that the calculus from the left here is that any chaos up until election day is a good thing because it will somehow damage Trump. Yet the left OWNS this! He can now paint himself as the law and order candidate, as the ALTERNATIVE to this madness.

This might play well in leftist college campuses and among the woke elites who live in gated communities with their own private security but it is NOT playing well in middle America! People tend to want to know that if they call 9/11 there will be cop sent and not a social worker. They'd like to know that the city they've decided to place their business in that they spent their life savings on will not turn into an autonomous zone where the rule of law no longer applies. They would like to visit a public park without seeing graffiti splattered all over monuments and headless statues.

Trump may be a terrible president but he is an EXCELLENT politician and he will ride this as hard as he can and the left has no one to blame but themselves if he is successful.
Don't count on it. The democrats will just cheat. Just today, I got in the mail for my father to renew his voting registration. THing is, he's been dead for 10 years and he was never a voter because he was a convicted felon and was ineligible.
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Old 06-23-2020, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Strawman.

Does the right not realize that most people on the left didn't, and wouldn't, participate in riots?

Does the right not realize that many/most people on the left disapprove of rioters, most of whom this liberal considers to be thugs?

Does the right not realize that rioters don't represent "the left" anymore than, say, racists represent the right?


Doesn't matter.

What matters is the image that you're letting the media, the ineffectual Dem politicians in the blue rioting cities and the extremists in your party project to America.

And it's not going to play well.
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Old 06-23-2020, 06:34 PM
 
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The middle left is being mobbed by neo-Marxists and are letting it happen. Where’s Biden? Why isn’t he speaking out about the violence? Does he think the White House should be torched by the mob because it represents white supremacy? Do you all think Lincoln should be defaced and removed? That’s the sick disease of the mob’s mental state. Your side is encouraging destruction and takeover by the mob. If you don’t speak up and put a stop to it, you are all part of the problem.
Good point. Trump has repeatedly condemned the violence, most recently issuing an EO against the anarchists destroying public property, and Biden.....radio silence. Right in line with the other leftists, acquiescing to violence.
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Old 06-23-2020, 06:39 PM
 
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Strawman.

Does the right not realize that most people on the left didn't, and wouldn't, participate in riots?

Does the right not realize that many/most people on the left disapprove of rioters, most of whom this liberal considers to be thugs?

Does the right not realize that rioters don't represent "the left" anymore than, say, racists represent the right?
I don't know about the right, but I am in the middle and I do put it all on the Democrats. Every Democrat pundit I see on TV has been in support of it all.
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Old 06-23-2020, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Earth
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I'm ok with the confederate statues coming down unless they are on battlefields, serving a historical purpose, or at confederate grave yards.


Andrew Jackson should stay. Even though he was slaver and dog fighter, he was a patriot. He fought against the British and he was a federalist. He would not have let South Carolina succeed. He would choked out John C Calhoun (urinate on his grave)!
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Old 06-23-2020, 07:31 PM
 
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The best thing Trump has going for him is that the Democrats have cast their lot with the looters, anarchists, and arsonists.
^This
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