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The pro mask / pro shutdown argument against "killing grandma" is invalid, at least until widely improved upon, because it always depends on ignoring and therefore doesn't control for the deaths that result from the economic impact.
Saving grandma doesn't matter one bit if Joe dies in that process.
Similarly, the commonly quoted COVID death count does little more than work against pro mask, pro shutdown propaganda at this point because the people it is being quoted at widely and correctly believe the count to be sloppy and manipulated. The only persuasive death count will need to come in the context of a revised method that controls for the age related death rate , comorbid conditions, seasonal flu deaths, and unverified COVID diagnoses (people not tested but still pronounced to have COVID because why not?).
The most insidious effect of COVID is the shutdown.
Essentially, it gives our enemies an enormous gift in that it informs them that if they can import a microscipic virus into the USA then they can destroy the economy.
Economic destruction that will always result in thousands of deaths.
Perhaps communicating that fact to the World is one point of the shutdown from the perspective of the Left.
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That is plain silly. Should I also use my intelligence to determine if the fan blades in the jet engines were made of the proper metal and tempered in the proper fashion and then torqued properly?
This is typical "libertarian" drivel - like the science experience where a kid determined what percentage of sawdust people would accept in their Rice Krispies. Arsenic tastes like Almonds!
It's a complex world. You can't see germs. Less than 5% of the population is capable of understanding all the ramifications of public health.
If it's "your decision" to end up killing (in total) 100's of thousands more people....well, so be it...right? You don't see that person dying in LTC because someone like you didn't wear a mask in a restaurant and then infected someone else who infected a worker at the nursing home and then infected my Grandmom (well, truth be told, my daughters MIL died yesterday in the nursing home - had COVID).
You don't speak for "all of us" or even "all of you". You speak to a selfish gene which has installed itself into the Body Politic and thinks "well, if I didn't plunge a knife into grandma then I couldn't have had anything to do with her death".
Funny how we don't use "personal choice" to determine car and airbag design and thousands of other things. Shouldn't I have a choice to have an airbag that had darts in it so I could get really messed up (maybe I enjoy gore?) if I get in an accident? Personal choice.
Listen - you have my OK to pick your own toothpaste flavor and candy and ice cream. But when it comes to germ theory, virus and public health I would like to come to a societal agreement.
Well, duh!!!! to the bolded.
And to the rest, pffffffttt!!!!!!! Enjoy your servitude. What's the weather like in Stockholm?
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The most insidious effect of COVID is the shutdown.
Essentially, it gives our enemies an enormous gift in that it informs them that if they can import a microscipic virus into the USA then they can destroy the economy.
Economic destruction that will always result in thousands of deaths.
Perhaps communicating that fact to the World is one point of the shutdown from the perspective of the Left.
Actually from what I have read on ancestry DNA sites, the more Neanderthal genes you have, the better natural immunity you have.
I actually read an article on yahoo that said the opposite, that there was some subset of Gene's in some people left over by the Neanderthals previous in their ancestry line that made it more likely they would get gravely sick and need to be hospitalized. Believe it was 60% more likely if they had these genes.
I almost made a joke about it myself. So maybe covid is nature's way of attemptin to finally rid the planet of Neanderthals?
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Thank You. Its eye opening to me to see how many people supposedly look to politicians and the government in general, for daily guidance on how to live their life. I would never look to a politician for inspiration or for an example of how I should act.
I do not wear a mask because the mask does not prevent covid. It simply doesn't work. I also don't wear a mask because I cannot deal with restrictive clothing, I don't wear jewelry, including a watch or a wedding ring, because it feels restrictive and odd to me. I cannot wear tight clothing, every hoody I own has a tear in the neck as most have collars that sorta grab your throat. A face mask is 10x worse for me.
However, I would wear one if I felt it reduced the chance of preventing the spread 9r catching the virus in any meaningful way. I also wear one when I know of a bussinesses policy and I choose to require their services i.e. flying. I also wore one in the nursing home my grandmother died in recently. I would definitely not want to be the cause for giving it to any elderly people who for the most part are already sick or ailing. And more importantly I would not want to cause them any more alarm about the disease.
I wear one when it is mandated by the so-called order of our so-called governor, but that's it. I wear it because I like the merchants in my town and I'd hate to see them fined when some nasty SJW tattletale calls the snitch line to report them for not being law enforcement officers. They know me and they know the condition that makes it hard at times for me to wear a mask and have told me that I do not need to wear a mask when my condition is flaring up.
Beyond that, we just keep dealing with the chicken5#!t
Yes, and it even better that he's out of the hospital letting everyone know to not let Covid dictate your life and to not be scared of it. Refreshing to have an unbiased view. This view is exactly what many if us have been saying for awhile!
Don't be afraid of COVID.... don't let it dominate your life...Donald J. Trump
If truth be told, I am not afraid of the virus.
I am scared of the people who do not care about their fellow human beings and refuse to wear masks; Those who think it is a flu; Those who think 7 million infected are "nothing" and fellow Americans are nobodies; Those who think that 210,000 dead are "acceptable"; Those who, in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, insist quackery and quacks are equivalent to Science and distinguished scientists.
I am scared of the delusional man who has in-home ICU facilities, 24hr in-home doctors, helicopter ambulance service, and access to any drug known to man-kind. The same man who then works to take basic health care away from millions of Americans.
How did we get to the point where Americans define freedom as the right to endanger others? To the place where Americans worship a fealty demanding demagogue who shows no return loyalty to the nation? To an America led by a know-nothing bully who is the very one commanding control and dominance over the lives of we the people?
This is what scares me.
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I actually read an article on yahoo that said the opposite, that there was some subset of Gene's in some people left over by the Neanderthals previous in their ancestry line that made it more likely they would get gravely sick and need to be hospitalized. Believe it was 60% more likely if they had these genes.
I almost made a joke about it myself. So maybe covid is nature's way of attemptin to finally rid the planet of Neanderthals?
Think you are misremembering. The general belief is that Neanderthal genes improved our immune response. But it also contributed to certain other negative health consequences like high cholesterol and arthritis.
Don't be afraid of COVID.... don't let it dominate your life...Donald J. Trump
If truth be told, I am not afraid of the virus.
I am scared of the people who do not care about their fellow human beings and refuse to wear masks; Those who think it is a flu; Those who think 7 million infected are "nothing" and fellow Americans are nobodies; Those who think that 210,000 dead are "acceptable"; Those who, in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, insist quackery and quacks are equivalent to Science and distinguished scientists.
I am scared of the delusional man who has in-home ICU facilities, 24hr in-home doctors, helicopter ambulance service, and access to any drug known to man-kind. The same man who then works to take basic health care away from millions of Americans.
How did we get to the point where Americans define freedom as the right to endanger others? To the place where Americans worship a fealty demanding demagogue who shows no return loyalty to the nation? To an America led by a know-nothing bully who is the very one demanding control and dominance over the lives of we the people?
This is what scares me.
We care about our freedom even more. No one stopping you and/or anyone else to wear a mask. No one stopping anyone from buying bio-hazard suit and wearing that all day. The rest of us will continue to defend our freedom from being taken away by the government.
Don't be afraid of COVID.... don't let it dominate your life...Donald J. Trump
If truth be told, I am not afraid of the virus.
I am scared of the people who do not care about their fellow human beings and refuse to wear masks; Those who think it is a flu; Those who think 7 million infected are "nothing" and fellow Americans are nobodies; Those who think that 210,000 dead are "acceptable"; Those who, in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, insist quackery and quacks are equivalent to Science and distinguished scientists.
I am scared of the delusional man who has in-home ICU facilities, 24hr in-home doctors, helicopter ambulance service, and access to any drug known to man-kind. The same man who then works to take basic health care away from millions of Americans.
How did we get to the point where Americans define freedom as the right to endanger others? To the place where Americans worship a fealty demanding demagogue who shows no return loyalty to the nation? To an America led by a know-nothing bully who is the very one demanding control and dominance over the lives of we the people?
This is what scares me.
I'm scared of people who don't care about their fellow human beings and want people to die in seclusion without jobs and children to be denied an education, hampering them for the rest of their lives for fear of a virus. I'm scared of those who refuse to acknowledge facts such as the fact that the flu is more dangerous to people under 50. I'm scared of those who think tens of thousands dying from the effects of shutdowns doesn't count. I'm scared of people who refuse to listen to scientists unless they are approved by CNN and the New York Times. I'm scared of idiots who think masks actually protect themselves and that they don't need to follow all the other important precautions if they wear their kryptonite protection masks.
I'm scared of possibly having a president who can't hold a coherent thought. I'm scared of people who think pushing him as president is a good idea. I'm scared of a party that wants to open casinos and allow their protests, but shut down churches and opposition protests.
How did we get to the point where half the population worships a political party and masks, marches goosestep to the lying media and demands fealty to speech codes? Where being an NPC is a point of pride? Where a party has become, not merely influenced by, but dominated by a bunch of Puritan witchhunters.
And don't even get me onto mayors and DAs who encourage criminals and schools that promote unusual lifestyles to pre-pubescent kids and sending all our manufacturing to China and assuming everyone can "learn to code."
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