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Draconian laws, traditional Athenian law code allegedly introduced by Draco c. 621 bce. ... The Draconian laws were most noteworthy for their harshness; they were said to be written in blood, rather than ink. Death was prescribed for almost all criminal offenses.
Mandating mask's while in public does not fit the way you are attempting to compare these measures to Draconian laws.
For the record Massachusetts, California and Hawaii have the lowest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people when compared to other states.
You don't find MA, CA or HI in the top 10 states that have the highest number of cases per 1 million people. In fact these states are doing much better at containing the spread.
I present you with a list of the 10 top states with the highest number of COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.
North Dakota
South Dakota
Iowa
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Utah
Montana
Illinois
Idaho
Wyoming
Deaths per million-bottom 10-note that it includes Wyoming and Utah and most of the rest are in the bottom 25 (Dakotas, Illinois and Iowa are not):
State deaths Per Million
Vermont 59 94.6
Maine 165 122.7
Alaska 98 134
Hawaii 222 156.8
Oregon 761 180.4
Utah 718 224
Wyoming 144 248.8
Puerto Rico 935 292.8
West Virginia 582 325.7
Washington 2,531 332.4
Top 10--Note that Massachusetts is #3:
New Jersey 16,694 1,879.50
New York 33,997 1,747.60
Massachusetts 10,329 1,486.30
Connecticut 4,737 1,328.60
Louisiana 6,132 1,319.10
Mississippi 3,543 1,190.50
Rhode Island 1,254 1,183.70
North Dakota 736 965.8
District of Columbia 660 935.2
Illinois 11,162 880.9
Despite their attempts to delete that truth that got out there, archives are forever.
These data do not strike me as remarkable. Why would the relative percentages of deaths change among age groups? Roughly the same age distribution of individuals die of covid that die of all causes. For example, there are few fatalities among children and young adults who have low overall death rates. Disproportionally more elderly adults die of covid and from all causes. The age distribution would have changed for the Spanish Flu that disproportionally impacted young adults. Not for covid.
To see a covid impact it is necessary to turn to total figures, which the author did. Assessments using total death figures appear premature. As better treatments become available death rates may continue to actually fall. In contrast, covid was not evenly spread in all parts of the United States during the period of the study. Locality studies may have resulted in better comparisons. What is clear is that the vast majority of those dying from covid (well over 90%) have comorbidities. Comorbidites that among the very elderly result in limited longevity.
Only if a significant number of otherwise very healthy elderly were dying from covid would you expect those deaths on top of the normal heart attacks. That is not happening, yes. Many otherwise healthy older adults survive covid.
The pandemic has multiple implications that extend beyond raw death figures. For example, that grandma will die of covid within the year instead of from a heart attack does not mean spreading an infectious disease to her is either wise or kind. Infectious diseases particularly respiratory ones often move in waves, potentially stressing health care. Heart attacks and deaths from cancer generally do not.
Death rates are important, if only as a marker of the disease. Testing data remains incomplete with even hospitalizations among states difficult to aggregate. That some do not want to spread covid to grandma (or themselves experience a potentially problematic disease) almost certainly has a greater economic impact than her absolute death.
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I'm not sure if this should go here, but these are the companies that I found (and I HAD the sources, but unfortunately the site where I had stored them had restricted my account (should have been more careful when using a George Soros site and using it for causes against the Left (and globalists on the Right too, and they deleted my list. I had a .txt backup, which is where I'm posting the list from, but the source list was axed when they deleted the list.)
Anyway, I found from NEWS ARTICLES or on their OWN SITE (I have to point that out as people will chime in "I was fine without a mask at Company XYX. You're lying!" etc if I don't.) that they either had a mask requirement and/or lobbied for a mask mandate:
Businesses
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Air Canada
Alaska Airlines
Albertsons LLC
Aldi
AMC Theatres
American Airlines, Inc.
American Eagle Outfitters, Inc.
Apple, Inc.
AT&T, Inc.
AutoZone
Bank of America
Baskin-Robbins
Bed Bath & Beyond Inc.
Best Buy Co, Inc.
BJ's Wholesale Club
CenturyLink
Chipotle Mexican Grill, Inc.
Cinemark Holdings
Circle K
Costco Wholesale Corporation
CVS Health Corporation
Darden Restaurants
Delta Air Lines, Inc.
Dierbergs Markets
Dollar General Corporation
Dollar Tree
Dominion Energy
Dunkin Donuts
Family Dollar Stores
Famous Footwear
Festival Foods
Foot Locker
GameStop
Gap, Inc.
Goldman Sachs
Goodwill Industries International
Great Clips
Harris Teeter
H-E-B Food and Drug
Hyatt Hotels Corporation
IKEA US
InterContinental Hotels Group PLC
JCPenney
jetBlue
Kohl's
Kroger
Life Time Fitness Inc
LL Bean
Love's Travel Stops & Country Stores
Lowe's
Macy’s
Marriott International, Inc.
maurices
McDonald's Corporation
Meijer Inc
Menards
Noodles & Company
Nordstrom
Office Depot
Panda Express
Panera Bread Company
PepsiCo
Petco Animal Supplies
PetSmart
Pilot Co
Publix Super Markets
Ralphs
Regal Entertainment Group
Rite Aid
Ross Stores
SAMS CLUB
Schnuck Markets
Shake Shack
Southeastern Grocers
Southwest Airlines
Spirit Airlines
Staples
Starbucks Corporation
Target Corporation
The Home Depot, Inc.
T.J. Maxx
Trader Joe’s
TravelCenters of America
Uber Technologies
United Airlines, Inc.
Verizon Communications Inc.
Walgreen Co.
Walmart
Walt Disney World Resort
Wells Fargo
Westjet Airlines Ltd.
Whole Foods Market
Williams-Sonoma, Inc.
Winco Foods
Wyndham Hotels and Resorts
Zions Bank
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Schools
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Florida State University
Indiana State University
Michigan State University
Nightingale College
Salt Lake Community College
St. Cloud State University
Troy University
University of Georgia
University of Nevada, Las Vegas
University of Oklahoma
University of Texas Austin
University of Utah
University System of Maryland
Westminster College (Utah)
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Associations
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American Bankers Association
American Hotel & Lodging Association
American Trucking Associations
Business Roundtable
Chamber West
Colorado Springs Chamber & Economic Development Corporation
Cruise Line International Association
Draper Area Chamber of Commerce
Juneau Chamber of Commerce
Kanab Chamber of Commerce
Kathy Duck President/CEO, O’Fallon Chamber of Commerce & Industries
Lake Wales Chamber of Commerce and Economic Development
National Retail Federation
NATSO
New Hampshire Nurses Association
Retail Industry Leaders Association
Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union
Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce
Scott Tate President & CEO of the Greater St. Charles County Chamber of Commerce
Southeastern Conference (SEC)
South Salt Lake Chamber
South Valley Chamber
St. George Area Chamber of Commerce
Tony Mathews President/CEO, Western St. Charles County Chamber of Commerce
United Food and Commercial Workers
Utah AFL-CIO
Utah Association of CPAs
Utah Beverage Association
Utah Food Industry Association
Utah Hospital Association
Utah Independent Agents
Utah League of Cities and Towns
Utah LGBTQ+ Chamber of Commerce
Utah Medical Association
Utah Nonprofits Association
Utah Rail Passengers Association
Utah Retail Merchants Association
Utah Tourism Industry Association
Vernal Area Chamber of Commerce
Wendy Berry Executive Director, Cottleville-Weldon Spring Chamber of Commerce
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Other
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Idaho Nonprofit Center
United Way of Salt Lake
YWCA UTAH
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Experts say the continued inability to control the virus is the result of a series of failures.
1. False sense of security
"Because [the outbreak] started in urban areas, people in rural areas felt safe. 'It's not in my neighborhood.' They were not as careful," said health metrics sciences professor Ali Mokdad at the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. Look towards N. Dakota, S. Dakota and Wisconsin for evidence of this.
Mask wearing has been consistently below the national average in places like North Dakota and Wisconsin, according to IHME. And mobility data shows people are less mindful of social distancing.
2. Failure to do the basics
From the beginning, experts have repeatedly stressed that in the absence of a vaccine, the only way to control the outbreak is with the basic tools of public health, including widespread testing for the virus, tracing people with whom they have been in contact and quarantining them so they don't infect anyone else.
But more than six months after the United States declared the coronavirus outbreak a national emergency, just eight states are doing enough testing to slow the spread of the virus, according to an analysis by Harvard and Brown Universities and NPR. North Dakota and Wisconsin, for example, are doing roughly a quarter of the number of tests needed.
Congress passed a $3 trillion coronavirus relief bill in the spring, including some funding for public health agencies. But experts say contact tracing remains underfunded.
"If it were up to me," said Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health epidemiologist Justin Lessler, "$500 billion of it would have gone to contact tracing."
The rest of the failures can be found in this article.
However, the real reason this virus got out of control as soon as it arrived to the US was because of Trump.
Donald Trump’s public surrender to the coronavirus pandemic has proceeded in three distinct and horrifying phases.
First came blithe denial. Having already disbanded the global health security team charged with fighting pandemics, ditched the 69-page playbook left to him by the Obama administration, and disregarded more than a dozen warnings in his own daily briefings, the president claimed the virus was no threat, and that it would miraculously disappear. The central goal was to keep the stock market from crashing. When it became clear that coronavirus was immune to happy talk, Trump moved on to phase two: distract and divide.
Trump could have mobilized the federal government to provide widespread testing and contact tracing, ordered a national lockdown, and coordinated aide to desperate states, instead Trump peddled quack cures, spouted conspiracy theories, and attacked anyone with the temerity to note his ineptitude.
Good riddance Trump!
Testing is completely pointless as it doesn't show the entire toll of people actually infected. It just shows people that tested positive. The tests aren't even accurate nor do they show that people test positive for this specific virus, just a corona virus. Their is no standard on these tests to the sensitivity, so they can raise and lower it and make positive cases when they aren't contagious. You may have people that test positive that don't have the virus and actually don't.
What we have is useless evidence that governments are making draconian decisions based off inaccurate testing. Furthermore, many are contagious before they are even tested.
Cases are basically implying people are sick when many are not and some are, and doing a disservice to those actually need care. And can we just realize people will get sick, they do every year and stop treating everyone who is sick like they are going to die or shaming them for it.
Draconian laws, traditional Athenian law code allegedly introduced by Draco c. 621 bce. ... The Draconian laws were most noteworthy for their harshness; they were said to be written in blood, rather than ink. Death was prescribed for almost all criminal offenses.
Mandating mask's while in public does not fit the way you are attempting to compare these measures to Draconian laws.
For the record Massachusetts, California and Hawaii have the lowest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people when compared to other states.
You don't find MA, CA or HI in the top 10 states that have the highest number of cases per 1 million people. In fact these states are doing much better at containing the spread.
I present you with a list of the 10 top states with the highest number of COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.
North Dakota
South Dakota
Iowa
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Utah
Montana
Illinois
Idaho
Wyoming
"Containing the spread" being the a nice statement but completely pointless. We have yet to contain a normal corona virus or flu but yet its here and we are acting like it will just disappear if we hide and wear masks. Cases are not relevant, it can be based on testing, and even the testing isn't accurate. Look at the death rates of the states that have taken the most restrictive measures (NY, MA, NJ, MI, IL) and you will realize all their measure have amounted to garbage. They are simply putting blame on others, when their disaster was the nursing homes.
The fact is other than April and early May with NY, NJ, MA, and IL increasing deaths, the vast majority of the other states have a substantially lower death rate; even without the magical mask.
We have tried multiple things (many with insanity over and over again) in the last 9 months and not one has stopped a virus from spreading, or eventually spreading.
Testing is completely pointless as it doesn't show the entire toll of people actually infected. It just shows people that tested positive. The tests aren't even accurate nor do they show that people test positive for this specific virus, just a corona virus. Their is no standard on these tests to the sensitivity, so they can raise and lower it and make positive cases when they aren't contagious. You may have people that test positive that don't have the virus and actually don't.
What we have is useless evidence that governments are making draconian decisions based off inaccurate testing. Furthermore, many are contagious before they are even tested.
Cases are basically implying people are sick when many are not and some are, and doing a disservice to those actually need care. And can we just realize people will get sick, they do every year and stop treating everyone who is sick like they are going to die or shaming them for it.
Nurses have been walking off the job all over the country. They can’t take it anymore.
I work with hospitals across the country. They are filling up to the brim. They are turning away patients for safety reasons. They are losing revenue like crazy, bleeding.
The healthcare system is collapsing. Christmas is going to be a nightmare with everyone traveling.
I don't blame them and at the same time its not all because of this virus. We are going to see a lot of bacterial lung infections due to masks but it will be assumed to be covid.
Not to mention we have tried to control this virus and told people that masks work and all this other crap, and then when it backfired have seen more infections instead of some being spread out. Now the people that were sick who avoided the hospital have to come in. But I guess the only thing that matters is covid, not suicides, drug addictions, cancer, other infections, heart disease, etc. Also, anyone who is even remotely sick or around someone is going to the hospital or going someplace to get tested or checked out, thereby putting more strain on healthcare professionals. It wasn't hard to see if your looking, but let's blame restaurants, social gatherings, bars, etc., instead of dealing with the main issue.
Great response, thanks for all the info. Read some real articles about testing and realize it is very flawed.
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