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In another thread someone mentioned that the Nazi party were socialists but it needs to be pointed out that they were...
"National Socialists" and had a currency backed by labor. Everybody worked. They also forgave home loans/reduced loans for families having children.
The German government of that time wasnt like the deranged sick twisted Bolshevik scum in Russia that killed tens of millions and another 10 million in Ukraine during the 32-33 Holodomor planned famine.
Germany wanted to stop the filthy Satanic scourge of communism from coming to Germany.
The world is always spoon fed the Holocaust story yet the 60 to 100 million murdered by Bolshevik Scum is never talked about.
Wonder why?
Nazism and fascism is just another form of socialism. There are different forms and schools in of socialism such ar communism anarchism and facsim. During the early half of the 20th century. Britain and its empire and the United States saw socialism in any extreme form as a threat to democracy and to capitalism.
They DID consider other races inferior, and that is a fact. Ultra-nationalism mixed with racism drew every right-wing group in Germany to join the Nazis which led to rapid expansion of the Nazi organization.
They DID consider other races inferior, and that is a fact.
The Nazis were ethno & cultural centrists
Their racial expulsion policies which later evolved into genocide were mainly targetted toward jews, gypsies, and communists in Europe and Russia.
There was arabs, north africans, muslims, indians, asians, americans, argentinians, and others who served in the 3rd Reich. There were jewish germans who served in the 3rd Reich as well (they had to denounce judaism and pledge allegiance to the third reich and they were issued special approval for military service -- it is estimated that 150,000 jews or partial jews served in the German military in WWII -- some of them were high ranking generals)
In another thread someone mentioned that the Nazi party were socialists but it needs to be pointed out that they were...
"National Socialists" and had a currency backed by labor. Everybody worked. They also forgave home loans/reduced loans for families having children.
The German government of that time wasnt like the deranged sick twisted Bolshevik scum in Russia that killed tens of millions and another 10 million in Ukraine during the 32-33 Holodomor planned famine.
Germany wanted to stop the filthy Satanic scourge of communism from coming to Germany.
The world is always spoon fed the Holocaust story yet the 60 to 100 million murdered by Bolshevik Scum is never talked about.
Wonder why?
I'm not sure where you get that. Anyone with an IQ over 70 knows that Socialism/Communism has killed far more than the Nazis ever did, and was far more evil and destructive.
Hitler needed a scapegoat to blame for the problems in Germany and the failures of that country. He divided the country and worked to attack a "common enemy", focusing and blaming them, rather than telling people that THEY had to work together to better their nation. Not a lot different than what the Democratic party does. In Germany they used Jews as their scapegoats to unite the populus into a violent, socialist mob. In this country the Democratic party does the same, but with whites, particularly white males.
Racism, bigotry and scapegoating have always been common traits of failing socialist states.
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Yes, the Nazi was not really socialist as much they are fascists.
There are many on the Right who for some strange reason think just because the Nazi calls themselves National Socialists they would be supporting Bernie Sanders if they are alive today. Which is preposterous. They Nazi of the day would arrest socialists.
There's a reason the Neo Nazi align themselves with the Republicans.
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It boggles my mind when I read posts like this one by the OP. It could be a teachable moment but I have learned that trying to educate on a site like this is a waste of time. Hitler purged the socialists among many others. You are right but I'd take it a step further, the Nazis would go beyond not supporting B Sanders--they'd murder him as a Jew and a Socialist. Maybe the OP et al are trying to justify their beliefs. I wouldn't be surprised.
It boggles my mind when I read posts like this one by the OP. It could be a teachable moment but I have learned that trying to educate on a site like this is a waste of time. Hitler purged the socialists among many others. You are right but I'd take it a step further, the Nazis would go beyond not supporting B Sanders--they'd murder him as a Jew and a Socialist. Maybe the OP et al are trying to justify their beliefs. I wouldn't be surprised.
They don't want to be educated.
They want to spread their propaganda.
Do you think that only communists are good at propaganda?
It boggles my mind when I read posts like this one by the OP. It could be a teachable moment but I have learned that trying to educate on a site like this is a waste of time. Hitler purged the socialists among many others.
It's a classical pivot, seen many times through history.
If you want to seize power via populism, you need to be good at telling the populace that their lives suck. The Nazis used the socialist faction in their party for that purpose, and it worked admirably.
However, if you want to stay in power, you have to be able to convince people that their lives are now actually really awesome. The Nazis found, to their consternation, that the socialists in their midst still wanted to implement actual socialist ideals. No one needs that sort of upheaval once you hold the reins of power, and the socialists were not-so-quietly disposed of.
This is not uncommon in revolutionary movements. The guys whose political talent lies in agitating the masses are rarely gifted in keeping them docile, and vice versa. After the revolution, the agitators are surplus to requirements and if they can't keep quiet on their own, they will be silenced.
The Nazis - once in power - banned strikes and unions. They received nice little wishlists from the industrialists as to what Polish, Belgian and French factories should be taken intact, if the Wehrmacht would be so kind. They completely failed to set up a centrally managed economy until way too late - and even then, they sucked at it. And the ownership of the means of production remained firmly on private hands. They were really, really bad at this "socialism" thing.
It's a classical pivot, seen many times through history.
If you want to seize power via populism, you need to be good at telling the populace that their lives suck. The Nazis used the socialist faction in their party for that purpose, and it worked admirably.
However, if you want to stay in power, you have to be able to convince people that their lives are now actually really awesome. The Nazis found, to their consternation, that the socialists in their midst still wanted to implement actual socialist ideals. No one needs that sort of upheaval once you hold the reins of power, and the socialists were not-so-quietly disposed of.
This is not uncommon in revolutionary movements. The guys whose political talent lies in agitating the masses are rarely gifted in keeping them docile, and vice versa. After the revolution, the agitators are surplus to requirements and if they can't keep quiet on their own, they will be silenced.
The Nazis - once in power - banned strikes and unions. They received nice little wishlists from the industrialists as to what Polish, Belgian and French factories should be taken intact, if the Wehrmacht would be so kind. They completely failed to set up a centrally managed economy until way too late - and even then, they sucked at it. And the ownership of the means of production remained firmly on private hands. They were really, really bad at this "socialism" thing.
Oh, I can totally see where their "socialist" component came from and why.
If you want your nation to prosper and to have wide support for the authorities, ( and I mean "nation" in purely ethnic sense of it - i.e. ethnic Germans in this case,) you can't NOT to address the social inequality up to a certain degree, and THIS can't be implemented without some "socialist" measures.
But just up to a certain degree, not really completely destroying the fabric of the capitalist society, with its private ownership.
For Soviets in the former Russian Empire on another hand, the ethnic composition was of no importance.
The system of private ownership was their main target.
Oh, I can totally see where their "socialist" component came from and why.
If you want your nation to prosper and to have wide support for the authorities, ( and I mean "nation" in purely ethnic sense of it - i.e. ethnic Germans in this case,) you can't NOT to address the social inequality up to a certain degree, and THIS can't be implemented without some "socialist" measures.
I think I see where you're coming from. (The word "socialist" is really almost useless in American discourse.) But the Kraft durch Freude movement, for instance, had a heckuva collectivist angle to it. The Hitler Jugend and BdM were - not exactly social levelers, but - they did certainly provide indoctrination in the necessity of sacrificing oneself for the nation. Then again, so does West Point, nationalism certainly isn't a socialist invention.
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But just up to a certain degree, not really completely destroying the fabric of the capitalist society, with its private ownership.
The industrialists loved them some Nazism. Kept the workers quiet and - later on - if you needed a few thousand slaves, you just made a phone call.
Both the industrialists and the Junkers forming the backbone of the officer corps thought the Nazis were naive, but quite useful. Of course, both groups realized belatedly that they were the naive-but-useful ones, and by then it was too late.
How a people like the Germans lost their head so completely remains a wonder to me. (And I believe I've done my reading on the subject.) German was the language of poetry and philosophy, and then suddenly...
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