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Old 07-19-2020, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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So dramatic. We don't have to have all bars opened or all bars closed. We can adopt strategies that allow areas where there is little to no spread, no stress on resources etc. from the areas where the hospital are at capacity and resources are limited.
Can we also protest, loot, riot, arson, vandalize, remove statues, and create murals in the meantime?

I’m so confused, does COVID care about our “revolution” right now? No justice no peace!
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Old 07-19-2020, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Did the protestors, arsonists, statue removers, and looters get this memo?

Nice job.
You are forgetting people that far more people mistook we are ripen for everything back to normal, the virus is done.
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Old 07-19-2020, 12:56 PM
 
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You are forgetting people that far more people mistook we are ripen for everything back to normal, the virus is done.
The virus will never be "done." Not this year, not in 10 years. We will have to live with this virus for the rest of our lives. The best thing to do is get on with our normal lives.
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Old 07-19-2020, 01:09 PM
 
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The virus will never be "done." Not this year, not in 10 years. We will have to live with this virus for the rest of our lives. The best thing to do is get on with our normal lives.
....while taking sensible precautions and wearing masks.
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Old 07-19-2020, 01:13 PM
 
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....while taking sensible precautions and wearing masks.
Why? You will eventually catch it. If not this year, or even next year, in the next 5 years for sure. Masks just delay the inevitable.

As long as wearing masks doesn't interfere with businesses who cannot operate with masks like nightclubs, salons, bars etc, go ahead and knock yourselves out.
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Old 07-19-2020, 02:15 PM
 
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COVID is so insanely dangerous, so dangerous that you have to be tested for it to even know if you have it.

Close down every single bar in the world, no exceptions!
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Did the protestors, arsonists, statue removers, and looters get this memo?

Nice job.
So - which is it?
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Old 07-19-2020, 02:44 PM
 
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Can we also protest, loot, riot, arson, vandalize, remove statues, and create murals in the meantime?

I’m so confused, does COVID care about our “revolution” right now? No justice no peace!
No we shouldn't have any public gathegins. You've asked me before I've told you before -- protests were not okay given COVID.
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Old 07-19-2020, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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The virus will never be "done." Not this year, not in 10 years. We will have to live with this virus for the rest of our lives. The best thing to do is get on with our normal lives.
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Why? You will eventually catch it. If not this year, or even next year, in the next 5 years for sure. Masks just delay the inevitable.

As long as wearing masks doesn't interfere with businesses who cannot operate with masks like nightclubs, salons, bars etc, go ahead and knock yourselves out.
Immunity to Covid after you have it doesn't seem to be as slam dunk as we thought when we wanted to herd immunity the virus. Now it is being said antibody loads for the virus die off in two to three months after infection. For this reason we should practice caution and not deal with "delaying the inevitable" or "get on with our normal lives."
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Old 07-19-2020, 10:52 PM
 
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Immunity to Covid after you have it doesn't seem to be as slam dunk as we thought when we wanted to herd immunity the virus. Now it is being said antibody loads for the virus die off in two to three months after infection. For this reason we should practice caution and not deal with "delaying the inevitable" or "get on with our normal lives."
Im not talking about immunity, I'm talking about living our lives as normal since there is nothing we can do about this virus. Like other viruses that cause the common cold and flu, we will catch this virus not just once but many times for the rest of our lives.

If antibody loads don't last, neither will a vaccine.

But this is not as simple as you laid out. Immunity is not just in the form of antibodies, but also T cells which attack the virus. Your body learns how to fight the virus, and next time it fights it more effectively. Usually a subsequent reinfection is far less severe (if the first one was even severe), this is what studies are suggesting.

But let's ignore all that. Catching this virus is inevitable. And it also seems there are two camps of people, the people who are fine and the one's who require hospitalization and/or die. The sooner you figure out which bucket you fall in, the better.
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Old 07-19-2020, 10:54 PM
 
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I agree with you that everyone is going to get it. Honestly, while I'm in great health for my age (not overweight, eat well, no underlying conditions, don't need any medication), I am over 50, I have the dreaded Type A blood (that has a slight chance of clotting from this virus), and I'm not looking to push my luck getting any sort of long-term side effects from this. I think it's not a bad idea to wait as long as you can to get it. The medical community is researching the hell out of this virus and, already, we are treating severe cases better than we were in March and April. There are 3 techniques that have already slightly improved outcomes: wait until the last possible minute to ventilate using other means to help the patient breath on their own until the last possible minute, dexamethasone for severe illness, and then blood thinners preemptively for the clotting issues.

I'm hoping as time goes on, there will be other medications developed to help with the virus, such as antivirals (sort of like how Tamiflu helps cut the flu suffering down). So I'll put if off as long as I can while still living my life. That involves much less socializing and masking in public.
There is no real evidence we're treating severe cases better now than in March/April. Yes, the death rate has fallen, a lot, but that's because we're testing more and uncovering mild cases more often.

Yes, doctors have learned a little, like not keeping people on their backs, etc. But in reality, fighting this virus, we have nothing really. It's your body that will have to do the heavy lifting.
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