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Old 07-19-2020, 11:01 PM
 
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There is no real evidence we're treating severe cases better now than in March/April. Yes, the death rate has fallen, a lot, but that's because we're testing more and uncovering mild cases more often.

Yes, doctors have learned a little, like not keeping people on their backs, etc. But in reality, fighting this virus, we have nothing really. It's your body that will have to do the heavy lifting.
err no. Remdisvir shortens the duration of the disease and dexamethasone helps about 1 in 5 on ventilators. These are major improvements. In addition younger people who are less likely to die but could still have very serious complications are the ones getting it now. The death rate has nothing to do with finding mild cases. It has to do with better treatments and more knowledge of how to treat these people as well as people less at risk of death but still in need of hospitalization.
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Old 07-19-2020, 11:03 PM
 
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Why? You will eventually catch it. If not this year, or even next year, in the next 5 years for sure. Masks just delay the inevitable.

As long as wearing masks doesn't interfere with businesses who cannot operate with masks like nightclubs, salons, bars etc, go ahead and knock yourselves out.
The thing with delay is that you can buy time with it. Time for better treatments as well as a vaccine.
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Old 07-19-2020, 11:09 PM
 
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Many bars do not comply with the capacity restrictions and alcohol leads to reckless behavior, lack of distancing.
rioting is reckless behavior and they didn't spread anything, but beach parties did. If you can't see that this is another political stunt then you're blind.
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Old 07-19-2020, 11:16 PM
 
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rioting is reckless behavior and they didn't spread anything, but beach parties did. If you can't see that this is another political stunt then you're blind.
There where no known surge in cases due to rioting and that wasn't politics it was a blessing.

There were a surge in cases at some beach parties but that might be how viruses spread. Both the amount of virus and the amount of time you are exposed to it matter. I suspect the beach goers did't wear masks at the same rate and lingered around each other drinking and having fun rather that running around chaotically like rioters.
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Old 07-20-2020, 12:55 AM
 
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It is so close in most bars. I couldn’t imagine how social distancing would work.
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Old 07-20-2020, 01:00 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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It is so close in most bars. I couldn’t imagine how social distancing would work.
It doesn’t, and bars don’t give a damn.

Option 1: Listen to Democrats, lose business, and starve.
Option 2: Take your chances with opening while you still can.
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Old 07-20-2020, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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It is so close in most bars. I couldn’t imagine how social distancing would work.
It can work when during a slow time, but it's not as much fun then. The last time I was at a bar, which was last month, I picked a slow time, which was early Sun. night and had no problem being socially distanced while sitting at the bar. But the bar has been closed since June 16. Don't know if it was because someone there got covid or not.
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Old 07-20-2020, 04:49 AM
 
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err no. Remdisvir shortens the duration of the disease and dexamethasone helps about 1 in 5 on ventilators. These are major improvements. In addition younger people who are less likely to die but could still have very serious complications are the ones getting it now. The death rate has nothing to do with finding mild cases. It has to do with better treatments and more knowledge of how to treat these people as well as people less at risk of death but still in need of hospitalization.
Yeah, something is magical about the air in June/July and young people are catching it now No, it was due to testing. Young people weren't being tested back in March/April because of a shortage of tests and they were not in a high risk group. If you were young and even had Covid-19 symptoms in NY, you were often told to self isolate and only come into the ER if you had difficulty breathing.

Gilead would certainly like you to believe Remdisvir works. Other countries are not so sure. China did a study concluding it's not effective. Pretty much only the USA and some close allied countries rely on it. If it works, it's minor, nothing earth shattering.

The falling death rate is not just in the USA but around the world due to increased testing. It's as simple as that.
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Old 07-20-2020, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The survival rate for covid ICU patients is better by 1/3. One reason is the increased us of high flow O2 instead of ventilators. No need to sedate patients.

However, the average age for covid patients is also lower and the likely hood of survivability is increased.
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Old 07-20-2020, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Somehow, I am guessing you aren’t elderly or immunocompromised or suffering from an underlying condition. Easy to say this when you don’t have skin in the game.

Also, do you think it is fair that those who are elderly, immunocompromised, etc. either a) live under what is essentially house arrest for months or even years (now they are talking about this thing lasting until 2023) or b) be risk dying if they go out and catch COVID?

And, most particularly, are you saying that your supposed right not to wear a mask and go out responsibility is somehow more important than letting people who are at risk out of their house safely? Are you seriously maintaining this?

Because all I can think is: Selfish, selfish, selfish, selfish. Or yeah, and stupid too.
Instead, you are promoting EVERYONE live under "essentially house arrest" for months, on the misguided idea that doing so will somehow help the elderly, immunocompromised, etc. THAT is selfish, selfish, selfish, and stupid. To expect an entire nation to shut down once again, for no purpose, for the convenience of a relative few-those few being the people that have a guaranteed income (SS) that doesn't require them to actually hold a job.
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