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Old 08-11-2020, 02:35 PM
 
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Trump can’t do that. It’s going to get tossed out in court immediately. Congress controls taxation and appropriations. No employer is going to stop deducting payroll taxes from their employees because they know that it’s going to get tossed out in court. Same for the $400 unemployment kicker where the states are required to pay 25%. This is political grandstanding instead of actually leading.
Been done several times before, so I guess you're....well......ignorant....of the facts.
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Old 08-11-2020, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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As has been said before... it's more important that bad bills do not pass than good ones. I tend to vacillate on this logic because I too have a political point of view.

Good and bad are subjective... most of the time.
what was so bad in the House bill?
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Old 08-11-2020, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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what was so bad in the House bill?

For starters a $3T price tag!
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Old 08-11-2020, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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For starters a $3T price tag!
What do you cut any why? I hardly can think of anything to cut from the house bill due to the fact the economy isn't doing too great.
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Old 08-12-2020, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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For the American people during the Great Depression, that ideology-inspired rhetoric resulted in 'Hoovervilles':



Herbert Hoover and Donald Trump: Two Studies in Failed Crisis Leadership

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/174976
And yet again, as was the point, another thinly veiled "It's for your safety you guyz1!!"

Stop falling for this BS!
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Old 08-12-2020, 06:16 AM
 
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And yet again, as was the point, another thinly veiled "It's for your safety you guyz1!!"

Stop falling for this BS!
Hey, take it easy. I'd like to understand, in your opinion, what is the purpose of government? Is any government legitimate?

Edwin Milton Yoder once observed "If you elect presidents with a contempt for government, you're all too likely to get contemptible government".

Do you think he had a point?

Last edited by ChiGeekGuest; 08-12-2020 at 06:58 AM.. Reason: Misspelled Mr Yoder's name
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Old 08-12-2020, 06:29 AM
 
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Trump and his supporters are idiots.



Trump is losing badly currently among senior citizen voters, who are usually the strongest voting bloc, and he thinks making cuts to the program that basically is the only income for millions of seniors will win him votes? lol.



And it isn't a true tax cut, but a tax deferment. Wait until the shock in taxes people get when they have to pay it all back in 2021. Smaller paychecks.
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Old 08-12-2020, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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What do you cut any why? I hardly can think of anything to cut from the house bill due to the fact the economy isn't doing too great.
Actually the economy is doing better than expected. Economists were estimating 15-20% unemployment but we’re running around 10%.

It’s bad, yes-but $3T bad?!
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Old 08-12-2020, 06:50 AM
 
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Trump and his supporters are idiots.

Trump is losing badly currently among senior citizen voters, who are usually the strongest voting bloc, and he thinks making cuts to the program that basically is the only income for millions of seniors will win him votes? lol.

And it isn't a true tax cut, but a tax deferment. Wait until the shock in taxes people get when they have to pay it all back in 2021. Smaller paychecks.
That's a harsh way to put it, but the more you watch Trump's blundering and the more you understand the simple mindedness of his supporters, you can't reach any other conclusion.

Senior citizens and people approaching retirement age are watching Trump very, very closely on this one. He can't afford to lose ONE of their votes. Consider the number of senior citizen votes in Florida, a state that Trump must win. A state where Biden has a 5 point lead at this point.

Trump is too stupid or deluded by his own self admiration to understand he is playing with fire here. There is a reason why Social Security has long been considered a third rail. Sure, he's trying to backpedal and spin - "oh this is just a temporary cut in the funding stream for Social Security and Medicare". This might serve to pacify his most brainwashed and deluded devotees but he's not fooling anyone else.
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Old 08-12-2020, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Actually the economy is doing better than expected. Economists were estimating 15-20% unemployment but we’re running around 10%.

It’s bad, yes-but $3T bad?!
I understand if they gave the nightmare scenario to make us feel better when we bottomed out at 16%. That said, when more small businesses close, we have evictions start again and the inaction of local governments to have the $100 unemployment to make the state hand out the $400 unemployment; we will have problems with the economy and we will wish that we had passed the 3T bill. Also remember number of states will be hurting due to decreased tax revenue in particular the gas tax stalling construction projects.
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