Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
So, when do workers actually get something? Essential workers have been dealing with exposure to this virus, increased work loads, and crazy Karen’s refusing masks. Meanwhile millions get to sit at home making twice or even three times as much.
When they vote for a Democrat? If they had, the covid crisis in the US would not be the worst in the entire world. Trump ignored and wished away the virus time after time. Then the right wing turned it into a civil rights issue (we won't wear no stinking mask).
People who say the American public can easily provide for their own retirement are laughable. Try that with the average hourly worker or middle class family person.
Republican's "every man for himself"philosophy (by hook or by crook as Trump has done for himself) will only intensify a super rich vs serf/peon class structure.
Here is what is actually happening. Let's hope he has committed political suicide for sure this time.
I told a friend a few days ago that if Trump did this and Dems had a lick of political canny, they would make hay over this.... bye bye Florida... bye bye second Trump term.
The most amazing part of this story is that those who will be harmed the most by this action are the very ones that are celebrating and championing Trump's simplistic attempt to buy their votes. Reaction goes something like this: "Wow look, he is reducing our taxes, that MUST be a good thing".
Like Trump told us many times, he loves the under-educated. He is relying on his constituents to not have the critical thinking skills or the foresight to comprehend that ripping apart the underpinnings of Social Security and Medicare will damage/destroy any chance of having a decent life when they reach their golden years. But it FEELS pretty good to them right now doesn't it? Trump is counting on that good feeling to last long enough for him to hoodwink voters into re-electing him.
Agree. 'Those who willfully refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.'
Quote:
This lack of action and unified policy reminds one of the Articles of Confederation- that failed form of government replaced by the Constitution as our leaders realized the importance of strong federal government in times of crisis. As Alexander Hamilton wrote to James Duane on September 3, 1780, the danger was that the people “cannot long respect a Government which is too feeble to protect their interest.”
Herbert Hoover and Donald Trump: Two Studies in Failed Crisis Leadership
People who say the American public can easily provide for their own retirement are laughable. Try that with the average hourly worker or middle class family person.
Republican's "every man for himself"philosophy (by hook or by crook as Trump has done for himself) will only intensify a super rich vs serf/peon class structure.
Here is what is actually happening. Let's hope he has committed political suicide for sure this time.
You wonder where the people come from that believe this, or if they REALLY believe this. Are they simply trolling? What's the true origin of these ridiculous memes?
Many people I know are working as hard as they can, barely getting by for slave wages, constantly looking for ways to improve their situation but it is unlikely they will ever be able to pull themselves out of the hole.
Does anyone in their right mind think that these people are going to be able to save enough money for their retirement? Or enough to cover the cost of any significant medical problem? Don't kid yourself, destroying SS and Medicare, which has always been the intent of the Republican party and now the Trump party, will turn the USA into a third world country. A nation where many elderly citizens will be cast aside like refuse.
People who say the American public can easily provide for their own retirement are laughable. Try that with the average hourly worker or middle class family person.
Republican's "every man for himself"philosophy (by hook or by crook as Trump has done for himself) will only intensify a super rich vs serf/peon class structure.
Here is what is actually happening. Let's hope he has committed political suicide for sure this time.
You put in a small amount of money each and every month, up to the max allowed per year, from the time you are an adult, you will be able to do a much better job with your own retirement than the federal government can ever do for you.
Instead of teaching school kids how evil white people and America is, they should be preparing them for their own futures.
It isn't hard. Call up a financial advisor, you can even tell them, "Hey, I don't know too much about this, would you be willing to spend a bit of time with me so I can understand and start investing?", get started, and put away that amount each and every month, like a bill payment, and by the time you hit retirement age, you don't need the pittance, and it's a ridiculously small amount, that comes from your socialist security from the federal government.
As another bill, set aside a monthly payment each month for regular visits to your doctor and dentist. The younger you are, the easier it is because most young people don't need to go to the doctor for major things. (Gee, we used to have what was called "catastrophic insurance" before the "it's for your safety and well being, you guyz!!" left took that away....congratulations, morons.) Let that build as you age.
It doesn't take that much. No more than people spend on their stupid coffee habits, or their "it's the weekend, let's party!!" expenses, or their pack of smokes, or their case of beer, etc.
Stop acting like people can't do for themselves and need a nanny government to parent them the rest of their lives.
The "it's for your safety/well being" types pretend that everyone is an idiot and can't help themselves, when in reality, it's about control.
Screeching, "it's for your safety" does nothing for anyone. Teaching people how to do for themselves gives them a much better standard of living. But why would the left want that? You can only control those who think they can't.
The most amazing part of this story is that those who will be harmed the most by this action are the very ones that are celebrating and championing Trump's simplistic attempt to buy their votes. Reaction goes something like this: "Wow look, he is reducing our taxes, that MUST be a good thing".
Like Trump told us many times, he loves the under-educated. He is relying on his constituents to not have the critical thinking skills or the foresight to comprehend that ripping apart the underpinnings of Social Security and Medicare will damage/destroy any chance of having a decent life when they reach their golden years. But it FEELS pretty good to them right now doesn't it? Trump is counting on that good feeling to last long enough for him to hoodwink voters into re-electing him.
Seems you're the one who's under-educated. We all know marketable higher education levels and skills are correlated with higher income, so let's take a peek at what's going on...
How incomes break down by Democrats vs. Republicans:
The majority of those earning less than $50,000 are Democrats.
The majority of those earning more than $50,000 are Republicans.
The chart stops at $200K, or the diverging trend would be even greater as income increases.
Oh, and by the way, reflecting the fact that Democrats dominate the low-income population, Democrats outnumber Republicans on public assistance program rolls by more than 2 to 1.
I can't believe that Trump advisors didn't warn him that this payroll tax deferment and a promise to make it a possible tax cut 'if Trump wins'......would not end well for Trump.
I just don't see how tying any further federal stimulus with state participation without talking to any of the Governors could be seen as a wise thing to do.
It just seems that these Executive Orders were quickly executed without proper vetting -- AGAIN. And when the short comings and criticism come, Trump will blame the media, the Democrats, etc.....but it his him and his administration.
Kudlow looked a clown trying to explain, understand the policies/procedures that he knew little about.
Just another political stunt. He thinks he’s clever.
This clever man is FAR more clever than he's given credit! He's simply calling attention to the problem, and trying to get Congress to DO ITS JOB (for a change!!) Trump/AMERICA 2020
You put in a small amount of money each and every month, up to the max allowed per year, from the time you are an adult, you will be able to do a much better job with your own retirement than the federal government can ever do for you.
Instead of teaching school kids how evil white people and America is, they should be preparing them for their own futures.
It isn't hard. Call up a financial advisor, you can even tell them, "Hey, I don't know too much about this, would you be willing to spend a bit of time with me so I can understand and start investing?", get started, and put away that amount each and every month, like a bill payment, and by the time you hit retirement age, you don't need the pittance, and it's a ridiculously small amount, that comes from your socialist security from the federal government.
As another bill, set aside a monthly payment each month for regular visits to your doctor and dentist. The younger you are, the easier it is because most young people don't need to go to the doctor for major things. (Gee, we used to have what was called "catastrophic insurance" before the "it's for your safety and well being, you guyz!!" left took that away....congratulations, morons.) Let that build as you age.
It doesn't take that much. No more than people spend on their stupid coffee habits, or their "it's the weekend, let's party!!" expenses, or their pack of smokes, or their case of beer, etc.
Stop acting like people can't do for themselves and need a nanny government to parent them the rest of their lives.
The "it's for your safety/well being" types pretend that everyone is an idiot and can't help themselves, when in reality, it's about control.
Screeching, "it's for your safety" does nothing for anyone. Teaching people how to do for themselves gives them a much better standard of living. But why would the left want that? You can only control those who think they can't.
For the American people during the Great Depression, that ideology-inspired rhetoric resulted in 'Hoovervilles':
Quote:
... However, Hoover’s initiatives were constrained by his conservative political philosophy. He had strong ideological resistance to excessive federal intervention—a profound belief that such action would undermine initiative and responsibility. He expressed his strong views in his 1922 book American Individualism, which highlighted the danger of collectivism and a reliance too much on the federal government. In this regard he believed that assistance should be handled on a local, voluntary basis rather then on the federal level.
The American public would have to wait until President Franklin Roosevelt initiation of the New Deal and mobilization efforts during the World War II to witness dramatic model of full government intervention.
Like his overconfident pronouncements, Hoover’s principled resistance to extensive federal intervention did not serve him well as president and may have undermined his political future. Hoover was elected with 444 electoral votes winning all but 8 states in 1928. Four years later he received 59 electoral votes and carried just 6 states. Today no politician mentions him, except to compare their political opponent to him. ...
Herbert Hoover and Donald Trump: Two Studies in Failed Crisis Leadership
Currently, workers pay SS taxes on up to a maximum $134,000 of their annual salary. Above that, no additional SS tax, but no additional benefit credit, either.
According to the SSA website, approximately 6% of wage earners in a given year will earn more than the maximum SS wage withholding ceiling. If the withholding ceiling were to be lifted, I can't see it helping all that much, unless there would be no additional benefit credit for those high wage earners. Even then, it wouldn't be enough by itself to be the magic bullet Social Security needs.
Correct. 6% of wage earners can't float the other 94%. It's mathematically impossible.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.