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Old 08-13-2020, 02:49 PM
 
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Voter suppression, something "freedom loving Patriot" Republican's would be up in arms with. Now largely silent?
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Old 08-13-2020, 02:52 PM
 
Location: In the desert
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Absolutely true.
Why is voting by mail so great in Florida as Trump says? We have states that have already been doing vote by mail for years with no problems.
This is strictly to control the votes by Trump.
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Old 08-13-2020, 02:52 PM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Which is what Trump appears to be attempting to derail.
Which he wouldn't be doing if the Dems weren't bound and determined to batch-mail ballots to the dead.
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Old 08-13-2020, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Fort Myers, FL
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And if voter fraud is 'a lie', then why has there been 3 years of Russia manipulated the electoral college to get Trump elected? Is it a lie or is it not OR is it only a lie when it's used to get a Democrat elected?
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Old 08-13-2020, 02:55 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Which he wouldn't be doing if the Dems weren't bound and determined to batch-mail ballots to the dead.
There is zero evidence of appreciable voter fraud, to include mail-in voting. Period.

There are 5 states that do mail-in voting across the board. Where's all the fraud in those 5 states?


You start from a completely false and unsubstantiated premise to justify something as antithetical to freedom as disenfranchising a citizen's right to vote. It's f***ing shameless.
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Old 08-13-2020, 02:59 PM
 
Location: In the desert
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Trump will do anything he can to get votes. That includes asking Russia , having Jared get Kanye West on the ballet to steal votes from Biden & putting in his top donor to run our postal service. If this was even attempted by the other side he would be screaming from twitter.
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Old 08-13-2020, 03:02 PM
 
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And that, my friend, is what the backers of every tinpot dictator since forever has been saying - sure, he's breaking the law, but its in the higher service of the nation. Can't have the people making the wrong decision.

You're dismantling every ideal and principle you once could lay claim to.
You do understand that in order to dictate, he has to go through Congress and the Senate? You do understand that he is the President? All this name calling that was in place since the moment he won is getting old. I didn’t care for Obama and his policies but I never called him names that weren’t true.
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Old 08-13-2020, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...-voting-2020-8

There are many, many, sources on this, so if you don't like this one, just 'google' Trump USPS. These are his words, quoted. Not some media spin.

The facts include that Zero tax dollars used. The Postal Service receives NO tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations. So let's just put that propaganda lie to the side.
https://facts.usps.com/top-facts/

Whether you are for or against the legal right to mail-in voting. Whether you believe the unsubstantiated lied that voting fraud is going to happen if we don't abolish this right. Can we all agree that his admitted goal of restricting voting rights is not aligned with American values or the values of our founding fathers?

For those that support Trump, what is your justification for him abolishing a HUGELY successful part of our government, just so he can restrict votes to win an election.

And for those who wish to answer another question, what is a reasonable justification for him appointing a Postmaster who is heavily invested in the competition of the organization he is supposed to lead? How is that not a conflict of interst?

Please keep your response civil. You can have strong opinions without calling names. If you think I'm wrong in what I said, let's here a decent explanation of why (not just "lefties" or "socialism"). The USPS is a vital service to Americans, it does not cost our tax-payers, and it is being used to suppress voting. How am I wrong, or how is that OK.

respectful disagreement to the front of the line...
there are many media outlets who have positioned the factual evidence this way, yes. Since all BI does is take a source article, and meld it to their desire, at least quote the source, please.

I read about as much of your OP as you did actual articles, I'd wager.

There's your respectful disagreement.

Oh, I'll add... Is it true or not that $1B of $1.3B given to the states for "modernizing elections" or whatever the heck it was remains unspent?

Do we have 100% mail-in voting right now, or not? Is 100% mail-in voting needed with a virus that has afflicted < 2% of Americans? Is there a difference between absentee ballots and universal mail-in voting?

If we DON'T have it, and there's no proof we NEED it, then why would we allocate money for it?
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Old 08-13-2020, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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I gave a quote from the POTUS saying he is trying to defund the USPS specifically to suppress votes. That is PROOF.
In one post, you said they get no Federal money. If this is true, then how could we possibly "defund" them?

Is Trump trying to tell them to quit charging postage, or drop the rates?
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Old 08-13-2020, 03:26 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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In one post, you said they get no Federal money. If this is true, then how could we possibly "defund" them?

Is Trump trying to tell them to quit charging postage, or drop the rates?
Like many other entities, they are asking for emergency $$$$ from the Fed Gov. That is a separate issue from where their funding may have come from in the past. Just like TARP or any other Fed support in history.

Right?
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