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Old 10-18-2020, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Shoot them in the leg Joe? Is this before or after they go out on to the balcony and fire 2 shots from a shotgun into the air as a warning?





You shoot for the center mass Joe. These things happen so fast that there is barely time to realize the threat level, draw, aim and pull that trigger. They have already saddled the cops with what happens in the aftermath of a shooting whether it was justified or not. We have seen looting, arson, riots, assaults and murders happen in the wake of even justifiable shootings.


If the Democrats win big in November we just might see the end of Police departments as they are defunded and forced to do their job in the face of an ever increasing violent society with less.



Take away a cops gun, what could go wrong?
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Old 10-18-2020, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Cali
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What i do not understand is Joe Biden is under Secret Service protection 24/7 since 2009 and maybe even before that. Could he at least spend 5 minutes to talk to one of his USSS agents about shooting in the legs bull****? Hell, i am sure USSS can even take Biden to USSS's James Rowley Training Center near DC and have Biden run through a simulated shoot & no shoot virtual training
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Old 10-18-2020, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Cali
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Hitting someone in the leg is not non-lethal force.

Ie, "What do you mean, you didn't mean to kill him? You fired a gun at him!".

Finn Jarber believes this is the target that cops use to train

https://ibb.co/bJVZ0TX
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Old 10-18-2020, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Not every country trains police to shoot for centre mass in every situation. Police in Finland aim for the leg when possible and appropriate (obviously if someone is shooting then its not appropriate, but if they have a knife for instance then it might be). In other countries too. https://www.police1.com/use-of-force...sv5zP5OCCcKZt/

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-shoot-t...unarmed-victim
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Old 10-18-2020, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Not every country trains police to shoot for centre mass in every situation. Police in Finland aim for the leg when possible and appropriate (obviously if someone is shooting then its not appropriate, but if they have a knife for instance then it might be). In other countries too. https://www.police1.com/use-of-force...sv5zP5OCCcKZt/

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-shoot-t...unarmed-victim
Are those countries open for law suits when the offender comes back to sue for damages because the police crippled him for life?

Face it, in our world here in the US, that will be the outcome if they survive. A doctor will be found to testify about how much loss of mobility the client suffered and they will sue for hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars.

So, two things against shooting for the leg. A: The shooter is using deadly force once they pull that trigger and it doesn't matter where the round hits on the body; it is still deadly force. B: Be it the leg or the head, that is a small target with a great probability of moving out of the shooting window and if one misses, then a round is heading down range as a hazard to innocent bystanders.

.....and then, there is C. Who shoots with such precision to put one round into the person and drop them immediately? Police Snipers and one has to remember that when it comes to police snipers, they are killing people who are not an immediate threat to them.

So, if one is saying for such close, precision, one shots......be careful what one wishes for.

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Old 10-21-2020, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Are those countries open for law suits when the offender comes back to sue for damages because the police crippled him for life?

Face it, in our world here in the US, that will be the outcome if they survive. A doctor will be found to testify about how much loss of mobility the client suffered and they will sue for hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars.

So, two things against shooting for the leg. A: The shooter is using deadly force once they pull that trigger and it doesn't matter where the round hits on the body; it is still deadly force. B: Be it the leg or the head, that is a small target with a great probability of moving out of the shooting window and if one misses, then a round is heading down range as a hazard to innocent bystanders.

.....and then, there is C. Who shoots with such precision to put one round into the person and drop them immediately? Police Snipers and one has to remember that when it comes to police snipers, they are killing people who are not an immediate threat to them.

So, if one is saying for such close, precision, one shots......be careful what one wishes for.
I would assume that if it is something that is taught/trained/expected, then they've figured out how to make it work. I've not noticed any big scandal about criminals suing the police for shooting them in the leg or missed shots hitting bystanders. In Finland at least there is a thorough investigation each time a police officer uses their gun, and they may get prosecuted for any shot considered unnecessary so they must be very careful about how and when they shoot.
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