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Old 11-12-2020, 03:52 PM
 
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Fort Mackintosh, but which one - the Union General, or his brother, a Confederate General?
It should be easy to figure out which one. Did you spell the name wrong?
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Old 11-12-2020, 04:19 PM
 
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Leave it alone tired of changing names on things.
Ehhh...no.
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Old 11-12-2020, 04:24 PM
 
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You can tell someone who doesn’t read a lot of history when they have this clear cut black and white view of it. It’s a lack of perspective. They take their own modern viewpoint and apply it to events that happened in the past, without the slightest understanding of everything that was going on during that time and what lead up to certain historical events. Never mind that person actually understanding the motives, thoughts, or feelings of historical figures.

It’s like Ben Affleck trying to preach the modern wisdom of liberalism. Certainly he or anyone in his family would have never owned slaves.
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Old 11-12-2020, 04:53 PM
 
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You can tell someone who doesn’t read a lot of history when they have this clear cut black and white view of it. It’s a lack of perspective. They take their own modern viewpoint and apply it to events that happened in the past, without the slightest understanding of everything that was going on during that time and what lead up to certain historical events. Never mind that person actually understanding the motives, thoughts, or feelings of historical figures.

It’s like Ben Affleck trying to preach the modern wisdom of liberalism. Certainly he or anyone in his family would have never owned slaves.
Man CAN NOT have ownership in man. Any attempt to do so is contemptible. It’s man’s highest crime.

Moreover, it’s one thing to have a slave. It’s another to mistreat him or her, beat them to the edge of their lives, work them like pack animals without proper food or nutrition, rape the women with caprice, sell away their children or the children’s parents to get out of a debt or just because you feel like it. These are all aggravating circumstances above and beyond just slavery itself.

No, sorry. I will not prevaricate or engage in moral equivalency based on the era in which such men lived. These were enlightened, educated men of action who attended West Point or other prestigious academies. They took LOTS of liberal arts courses in that time such as philosophy and other humanities. They were Christians who twisted their beliefs into a pretzel to justify slavery as God ordained...or they twisted their Biblical teachings to make them fit the institution of slavery. Either way, it’s the same personal failing as men.

Sorry, but you cannot rape a woman, beat her whimsically, work her damn near to death, keep her nutrition barely above hunger levels, and THEN sell her child away and tell me that “well, it’s more complicated than you’re presenting here.” No effin way.

Now if you’re willing to tell me that Hood and Bragg were complete idiots who couldn’t have known better because they either had brain defects or twisted sense of morality, then we can have a point upon which to agree. I’ll accept that.

But if on the other hand, you’re telling me that these were perfectly sentient human beings who were capable of reasoned, rational thought, then their veneration MUST come down and be relegated to the world of museums. Not used as the namesakes for our national Forts.
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Old 11-12-2020, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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There's a faint undercurrent of sneaking admiration for the more capable Confederate officers in the US Military, even if nobody will admit it. Leaders like Nathan Bedford Forrest (with no formal military training) were gifted tacticians whose efforts were studied long after the war ended. Their memories will be around long after the PC crowd has wilted away.
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Old 11-12-2020, 05:16 PM
 
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There's a faint undercurrent of sneaking admiration for the more capable Confederate officers in the US Military, even if nobody will admit it. Leaders like Nathan Bedford Forrest (with no formal military training) were gifted tacticians whose efforts were studied long after the war ended. Their memories will be around long after the PC crowd has wilted away.
Great. Then no one can say that we’re destroying history seeing as how you’re openly admitting that they’ll be well remembered regardless.

So then, there’s no need for any recognition by the officialdom. Thanks.
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Old 11-12-2020, 05:22 PM
 
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Just no leave it alone so tired of cancel culture.
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Old 11-12-2020, 05:26 PM
 
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Just no leave it alone so tired of cancel culture.
Nope. Leaving it alone is an impossibility. Come too far for that.
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Old 11-12-2020, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Various
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Nope. Leaving it alone is an impossibility. Come too far for that.
This will be happening, it's in Senate Bill S.4049.
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Old 11-12-2020, 06:22 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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Maybe the thought police should be worrying more about the murders that have happened there the past few years instead of trying to rename it. Priorities.
Exactly what I was thinking.
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