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Old 12-22-2020, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by twinArmageddons View Post
If those things happened, then it would bother me.

It hasn't though.
Of course changes were made to state election laws which did not go thru the state legislature, don't try to claim otherwise.

 
Old 12-22-2020, 08:58 AM
 
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The distortion is beyond belief.

yep. if there were legitimate concerns this could have been checked thru the local elections board and confirmed with the GOP and independent observers there at the time.
 
Old 12-22-2020, 08:59 AM
TKO
 
Location: On the Border
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Does it bother you at all that state election boards, governors and state court judges can change the election process on the fly, in violation of the US Constitution, their own state constitution and their own state election laws, and even the SCOTUS refuses to get involved?

We will never have faith in our federal or state elections if our election laws can be violated on the fly?
What kinda nincompoops wouldn't change a requirement that mandated gathering in large numbers during a global pandemic?

The law is not static and if it was we'd all be in really bad shape. I applaud any sensible local government (and it actually still exists in places when you go local enough) that took measures to protect both their citizens lives and their RIGHT TO VOTE (vote without endangering their lives). It's incredible to me that anyone could manufacture a problem with that. And that's all you guys are doing, making a problem where non-exists. You seem to love doing that on the right. Fear based manipulation requires it I suppose.
 
Old 12-22-2020, 09:00 AM
 
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State election laws were not followed, there were unlawful changes ...

then that would be a legal challenge that should have happened before the election.
 
Old 12-22-2020, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Originally Posted by Wapasha View Post
Of course changes were made to state election laws which did not go thru the state legislature, don't try to claim otherwise.
A lot of these were done well in advance of the election.

Why wait until after Trump didn't get a result that he liked to fight it?

Making it easier for people to vote only instills confidence in the vote, it doesn't take it away.
 
Old 12-22-2020, 09:09 AM
 
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Originally Posted by twinArmageddons View Post
Making it easier for people to vote only instills confidence in the vote, it doesn't take it away.

i caught part of a segment on OAN where they were arguing the changes were akin to pre-civil rights voter suppression. not sure how making it easier to vote equals suppression.
 
Old 12-22-2020, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by TKO View Post
What kinda nincompoops wouldn't change a requirement that mandated gathering in large numbers during a global pandemic?

The law is not static and if it was we'd all be in really bad shape. I applaud any sensible local government (and it actually still exists in places when you go local enough) that took measures to protect both their citizens lives and their RIGHT TO VOTE (vote without endangering their lives). It's incredible to me that anyone could manufacture a problem with that. And that's all you guys are doing, making a problem where non-exists. You seem to love doing that on the right. Fear based manipulation requires it I suppose.
You cannot make changes to laws on the fly, otherwise laws do not matter. We had many months to change election laws thru the legislature. So don't fall for the notion that a board of directors or a governor can simply change our laws on the fly as they see fit, and the state legislature cannot do anything about it.


Voters had many months with COVID to learn all about it, and apply for an absentee ballot, and to fill it out properly. Changing procedures to allow improperly filled out ballots, without signatures, or calling people to "cure a ballot" was not done to protect lives. So don't make this out to be like people lives were in peril unless election laws were modified by governors, boards of directors and judges, bypassing the state legislature.
 
Old 12-22-2020, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by twinArmageddons View Post
A lot of these were done well in advance of the election.

Why wait until after Trump didn't get a result that he liked to fight it?

Making it easier for people to vote only instills confidence in the vote, it doesn't take it away.
There were many lawsuits brought to fight these rule changes well before the election. Just do a little research, that's all I ask.


https://www.bing.com/search?q=lawsui...on+law+changes
 
Old 12-22-2020, 09:33 AM
 
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There were many lawsuits brought to fight these rule changes well before the election.

were the challenges successful?
 
Old 12-22-2020, 09:36 AM
 
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Does it bother you or not, that election laws can be swept aside and changed on the fly by partisan governors and judges?


Do laws passed by a state legislature not matter, as long as deviations to those laws benefit your political allies??
Pennsylvania legislators passed a law making absentee voting easier in 2019 BEFORE the pandemic. Please tell us why Texas sued.
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