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Old 12-24-2020, 09:42 PM
 
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So? Are they not free people? Why can’t they do what they want if they are not your slaves?
Not spending time convincing you. You came from china by a lottery and mock people having genuine concerns about thier country by your typical “ are they slaves? Are they slaves “ resonse for years.

You dont even acknowledge the problem so no point.
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Old 12-24-2020, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Yeah it's weird how 15 years ago, people thought the min wage should be $10, and now they think it should be $15. It's almost like things get more expensive over time.
LOL, it's almost 2021 and in some red states, legislators there still think it should remain at $7.25 an hour.
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Old 12-24-2020, 09:53 PM
 
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Not spending time convincing you. You came from china by a lottery and mock people having genuine concerns about thier country by your typical “ are they slaves? Are they slaves “ resonse for years.

You dont even acknowledge the problem so no point.
The only problem is you and people like you want to dictate how other people live their life.

There is no problem. Only your made-up “problems.”
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Old 12-24-2020, 09:54 PM
 
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1. I fail to see other people’s money is somehow your business.

2. Why is 99% is the mark of all evil? That’s just a number.

There is no such thing as other people's money, nor property in a natural sense. It is accumulated through the labor and exploitation of the majority.
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Old 12-24-2020, 09:56 PM
 
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LOL, it's almost 2021 and in some red states, legislators there still think it should remain at $7.25 an hour.
Right, it should be at $0 long ago.

The real minimum wage has always been, is, and will forever remain zero.

The idea that you can control the real price of the goods and services is as laughable as trying to control gravity.
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Old 12-24-2020, 09:57 PM
 
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There is no such thing as other people's money, nor property in a natural sense. It is accumulated through the labor and exploitation of the majority.
Define exploitation.

If you voluntarily work for someone in exchange for money, how is that exploitation?
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Old 12-25-2020, 12:31 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Define exploitation.

If you voluntarily work for someone in exchange for money, how is that exploitation?
My friend had a book called "How the other half lives". There was a story about a young woman who was living in a tenement in New York City, who had lost her job and was having a hard time finding work. She couldn't pay the rent and was facing eviction. She didn't know what to do. She asked people for help, but the only offer was a guy who propositioned her money in exchange for sex. She at first balked at the idea, because she was an honorable woman. But as she became more and more desperate she began to feel like that was her only way out. It was that or living on the streets.

She killed yourself so that she wouldn't dishonor herself.


"A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years." - Lysander Spooner

"In democratic countries, the most important private organisations are economic. Unlike secret societies, they are able to exercise their terrorism without illegality, since they do not threaten to kill their enemies, but only to starve them." - Bertrand Russell


Capitalists like to assert that freely-contracted labor is voluntary. But is someone who agrees to something merely to avoid starvation and destitution, really doing so freely and voluntarily?

Let's pretend that all of the land in the United States was owned by only two people. Are you a free man merely because you can choose which of the two you want to work for? And what if only one of them will hire you?

Did you ever watch Braveheart? There's a part where Robert the Bruce is talking to his father and he says, "Men fight for me because if they don't, I throw them off my land and I starve their wives and their children."

So does that mean they fight for him voluntarily? By your definition, yes.


Exploitation means to take advantage of someone. This advantage is usually gained either from the person's desperation or ignorance. It is illegal for a prison guard to have sex with an inmate. The idea is that the guard might use his position to coerce women into having sex. He could do this either by offering them better treatment, better food, a better life, etc. Or the opposite, to make them miserable.

Is this not the "voluntary" choice all of us are forced to make when we go to work for some corporation? That doing so might alleviate our suffering?

And how did these people come to own everything anyway? How did this country become this country?

Let's pretend I'm some institution who can literally print off money, and I use that money to buy some land that was taken by the government because people didn't pay their property taxes. Does that make me the rightful owner of that property? And how much money is printed off every year and loaned out at below market-rates to privileged businesses? How long has that been going on?

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Old 12-25-2020, 12:42 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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There is no such thing as other people's money
Good luck telling that to a bank who financed your car and house.
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Old 12-25-2020, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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"A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years."[/b] - Lysander Spooner
Too bad this miserable a-hole is already dead - give him a dose of real slavery, and I sure this bleating ******** wouldn't be so dismissive of other's liberty.
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Old 12-25-2020, 12:50 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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dismissive of other's liberty.
Do you know who Lysander Spooner was? And how was he being dismissive?
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