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No, all measures should be used together. Distancing, masks, hand washing, quick testing, isolation, and tracing are all very important. And now, obviously, the quick deployment of the vaccines.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "no". My comment had absolutely nothing to do with the protocols that should be in play for safety.
Masks absolutely did become the gold standard on forums like these, through the media, and the like. And certain activities, for some reason got a pass (i.e. protests). Which is hypocrisy at its finest.
The chart gives the death count for January 10. It is now over 4,000 per day, more than any single condition, including heart disease and all cancers, combined. On a day with 4000 COVID-19 deaths that means one death in two is due to it.
I suspect that people with missing limbs would consider that permanent. How about those who have had lung transplants? Researchers are finding heart and lung fibrosis even in young, otherwise healthy people who have been infected, including athletes who had no symptoms.
With so many people infected it is likely that there will be millions with permanent deficits due to the virus.
The parking lots were empty because no visitors were allowed and elective surgical procedures were cancelled because of concern over exposure to the virus in the hospital and conversion of operating rooms (which have anesthesia machines that can be used as ventilators) and recovery rooms to ICU beds and COVID-19 beds. Anesthesiologists were taking care of COVID-19 patients, intubating them and monitoring them while they were on ventilators. The workers who were laid off had skills that did not transfer to COVID-19 care.
Group interactions of all sizes contribute to spread of the virus.
Not many people dying from the flu this year, and many folks with HIV now have normal life spans. Flu has been discussed regularly here k City Data.
I'm not exactly sure what the point is of much of what you wrote. Agreeing with the statements I made, but giving an explanation doesn't change the facts (and you've actually validated much of what I said in the last few posts). Bottom line on a lot of this stuff was simply not enough effort was made in regards to capacity. And if this was a business problem, the first thing people would have done was increase capacity. It's nothing more than supply and demand. Given the information that we had available (i.e. The second wave), that should have been one of the first things we did.
And no, the flu is not talked about regularly on this forum. In fact you can probably find 20 times as many posts regarding covid as the flu.
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No, I'm not. The current pandemics is not under control, not even close. That's the difference.
Indeed you have made my point for me. Feel free to reread the post regarding governments as a matter of policies making decisions on acceptable amounts of deaths. Just because you have a different threshold doesn't change the fact.
I'm not exactly sure what the point is of much of what you wrote. Agreeing with the statements I made, but giving an explanation doesn't change the facts (and you've actually validated much of what I said in the last few posts). Bottom line on a lot of this stuff was simply not enough effort was made in regards to capacity. And if this was a business problem, the first thing people would have done was increase capacity. It's nothing more than supply and demand. Given the information that we had available (i.e. The second wave), that should have been one of the first things we did.
And no, the flu is not talked about regularly on this forum. In fact you can probably find 20 times as many posts regarding covid as the flu.
Capacity? Capacity was increased, with more and more space dedicated to Covid patients. But what about trained personnel, where does that come from?
Well, numbers matter, currently Covid is the leading cause of death
No, all measures should be used together. Distancing, masks, hand washing, quick testing, isolation, and tracing are all very important. And now, obviously, the quick deployment of the vaccines.
Capacity? Capacity was increased, with more and more space dedicated to Covid patients. But what about trained personnel, where does that come from?
Well, numbers matter, currently Covid is the leading cause of death
Sorry, no. There was no significant increase in capacity.
I'm not sure why you would highlight the words in bold. You probably could find 20 times as many posts talking about Covid vs the Flu. In fact, there were so many they had to do a sticky at the top of the page on it ("mask wars").
What did Trump do to acknowledge and fight Covid? NOTHING!
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Well since according to the left, the covid deaths are 100% COMPLETELY and TOTALLY the fault of President Donald J Trump then we should see the death rate drastically drop by May, right?
Sorry, no. There was no significant increase in capacity.
I'm not sure why you would highlight the words in bold. You probably could find 20 times as many posts talking about Covid vs the Flu. In fact, there were so many they had to do a sticky at the top of the page on it ("mask wars").
1. Define "significant". And again, it's easier to come up with beds than with personnel.
2. Yes, you will find many more posts about Covid because the outbreak is out of control, and currently the virus is the leading cause of death in US. While the flu is largely suppressed. Last positive test rate for the flu I've seen was something like 0.1%.
1. Define "significant". And again, it's easier to come up with beds than with personnel.
2. Yes, you will find many more posts about Covid because the outbreak is out of control, and currently the virus is the leading cause of death in US. While the flu is largely suppressed. Last positive test rate for the flu I've seen was something like 0.1%.
1. At a minimum, we could at least have worked to get to 1% of the population (currently closer to 1/3%). Isolate out Covid patients and specialized personel for that and stop having them work with patients that could be handled with non-specialized personel. I like to think a little outside the box and not buy into propaganda. With the amount of labor and resources available, the fact that mostly temporary makeshift bs was put into play (and not close to enough) is inexcusable. Of the beds available for Covid patients, we're talking about 1/10th of that .33% (an absolute joke...2 people out of 10,000 people have an opportunity to use an ICU bed). And then we all get to listen to the Henny Pennys scream that we're at stage 5, when it amounts to .033% of the population. Ridiculous, but I'm sure the media and their minions love going into hyperbolic mode.
2). Glad to see you agree there was no reason to put the words you did in bold and verify what I said was accurate. Now when you can realize that people pay little attention to deaths once it's hits whatever threshold they deem acceptable, we might be on to something.
I would suggest we end this at this point. Any rebuttals you've made have been evicerated (or you actually validate what I say without knowing it) and we seem to be wasting time now (I find very little of what you're claiming to be rational and now you're repeating the same points that have already been picked apart). Time to simply agree to disagree and move on.
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Are they breaking down the cause of deaths' anymore showing if it was heart disease, diabetes, etc. or just checking Covid for $$?
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