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Oh this post will be unpopular. Simply put I believe the greater the variety of genetics we have the more likely that more and more successful combinations will result. BTW this means that people making their own decisions about this is a good thing as that is the point of evolution.
Some points in these folks favor? They are determined. Its not like this is like walking across the street for most of these folks. If they follow a path to citizenship here? It is not simple at all for them to accomplish. The point is...from a simple genetics point of view it may very well be beneficial. In the end the infinite combinations that result even centuries from now will benefit us.
Might it today? Hard to say. But honestly its not like these folks dont exist. Give people a path to citizenship, and enforce our border laws in a manner that makes us look like the people who our dogs think we are.
The difference is, there were no tax payer funded social services back then. There were no food stamps. If you couldn't afford to eat, you starved. There was no section 8 housing back then. If you couldn't afford a place to live, you lived in the street. There was no welfare, no medicaid, no social security, we weren't spending the equivalent of 10s of thousands of dollars on each student every year to educate kids, there was no in-state tuition, or any other way that the millions of uneducated, illiterate, and unemployed people could sponge off of the current citizen tax-payers.
It appears you aren't aware that back then, schools were publicly funded as well. All those illiterate, poor and unemployed immigrant's children back then were getting their educations at the expense of the taxpayer too.
As for the adult immigrants nowadays (which are most of them), their home countries have already spent $$ educating them. So essentially we are getting them "free". That is, we get their labor having paid nothing for their education. That makes up for whatever $$ we might spend on any social services some of them might need.
And BTW, the notion that these Latin American immigrants are all illiterate is ridiculous. I'd be willing to bet the immigrants from Mexico and Central America these days have higher literacy rates (and possibly also educational levels) than European immigrants from 1850-1920.
Literacy rate by country
Mexico - 95.40%
Guatemala - 81.50%
Honduras - 87.20%
El Salvador - 88.50%
Even as recently as 1981 the literacy rate in Italy was 96.5%, which is little different from Mexico's current rate.
The literacy rate of Italy was 38.4%.
The literacy rate of France was 72.8%.
The literacy rate of Germany was 92.0%.
The literacy rate of Spain was 31.4%.
The literacy rate of the UK was 82.7%
Though it's not listed, you can be sure Ireland's was probably similar to Italy's or, at best, France's.
By comparison the US was 83.0%.
The best nation back then was more illiterate than Mexico is now.
From about 1850 to about 1920 we let in millions of uneducated, illiterate and unemployed people into the USA. And we turned out just fine.
Yes and back then we had an extreme need for bodies still breathing with strong backs. Times change, our needs have certainly changed. We produce a bumper crop of low skilled barely literate citizens. There is no need to import more.
And BTW, the notion that these Latin American immigrants are all illiterate is ridiculous. I'd be willing to bet the immigrants from Mexico and Central America these days have higher literacy rates (and possibly also educational levels) than European immigrants from 1850-1920.
Literacy rate by country
Mexico - 95.40%
Guatemala - 81.50%
Honduras - 87.20%
El Salvador - 88.50%
Even as recently as 1981 the literacy rate in Italy was 96.5%, which is little different from Mexico's current rate.
I wonder how those rates stack up against places like Kentucky, West Virginia, Mississippi and a fist full of other Red states? My guess is they are uncomfortably close and no slam dunk any of them would beat any or all of those Latin American locations.
The difference is, there were no tax payer funded social services back then. There were no food stamps. If you couldn't afford to eat, you starved. There was no section 8 housing back then. If you couldn't afford a place to live, you lived in the street. There was no welfare, no medicaid, no social security, we weren't spending the equivalent of 10s of thousands of dollars on each student every year to educate kids, there was no in-state tuition, or any other way that the millions of uneducated, illiterate, and unemployed people could sponge off of the current citizen tax-payers.
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Originally Posted by James Bond 007
It appears you aren't aware that back then, schools were publicly funded as well. All those illiterate, poor and unemployed immigrant's children back then were getting their educations at the expense of the taxpayer too.
As for the adult immigrants nowadays (which are most of them), their home countries have already spent $$ educating them. So essentially we are getting them "free". That is, we get their labor having paid nothing for their education. That makes up for whatever $$ we might spend on any social services some of them might need.
Read my post more carefully, and you might not get it so wrong.
In 1920, we spent $667 per student in 2016 dollars. In 2016, we spent $12,000 per student in 2016 dollars.
But don't let that one issue deflect from all of the other expenses I mentioned either, for which you have no answer.
That has nothing to do with the merits of immigrants and their kids, because the same amount is spent for non-immigrant kids.
You're actually also making the argument we should not have kids anymore because we spend too much money educating them.
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