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LMAO! Americans don't mind working. We don't build the best economy in history by being lazy. What we don't want is for poor foreigners come down to lower our wages and bring unlimited social problems that translates into more taxes and then to add salt to injury put up with the insults by them and the elites in our country that we are racists and lazy if we complain.
We want to bring up the standards and raise pay not lower it. There is a reason why no other country in the world will do it.
I don't mind as a young worker cleaning houses. You have to start somewhere to learn skills so you can add to your resume and offer something to the market but I can't compete with foreigners who can't speak the language but will do it for cheap. I will lose that bid all the time.
It's not about being lazy. It's about wanting to be educated and advance your career. This is what most Americans strive for. And cleaning houses adds nothing to your resume unless you want to be head house cleaner
That is the difference. In 1900, there were 1 room schoolhouses where children of various ages were taught by 1 teacher. On top of that, the vast majority didn't make it past elementary school, so the cost was not long term. Only something like 10% of students attended high school. There was nothing progressive about taxation back then, so I have no doubt the poor immigrants of that time period paid enough in taxes to fund their own children's education, which required very minimal funding at the time.
Apples and oranges to today, where in my state, some of the poorest school districts pay over $30k per student per year.
And again, I listed a bunch of costs, besides education, that the tax paying citizens were not on the hook for back then. How do you address these?
The 1 room schoolhouses were in rural areas. The immigrants we're talking about were urban ones, where large and expensive schools (for their time) were built. Public schools in big cities back then looked something like this and this, which was expensive for its time.
Prior to 1913 there WAS no income tax so your griping about "progressive" taxes is meaningless.
From about 1850 to about 1920 we let in millions of uneducated, illiterate and unemployed people into the USA. And we turned out just fine.
That was the men and woman who had escaped leftist ideology of Scandinavia and Germanic to build a country with family values and principles that wasn’t available in Europe at the time. So they came here and laid the bedrock for this nations foundation.
Now it’s just a bunch of leaches looking to suck the blood out of a country and steal its treasures from the ones who have died building the identity of a world class societal infrastructure.
Today the Biden* regime has mandated open borders and has prohibited ICE from doing its job. This country has the right to protect its borders. What’s happening here today is an uncontrolled invasion, while resources in America are in short supply. Sure there’s land but it’s nothing without water. Sure people have some money but it’s being handed out to illegal immigrants through subsidies. Our educational system costs have skyrocketed because we make adjustments for non English speaking students.
It’s dereliction of duty on the part of politicians who are betraying the country.
Ellis Island immigrants went through a rigorous process. Don’t try to pretend it’s the same now.
The Ellis Island inspection process took several hours, and did not guarantee that an individual or their family would pass. Immigrants endured medical inspections and hours of legal questioning before they were allowed to step on American soil. Many were detained because they were sick. In fact, on July 19, 1884, then President Chester Arthur issued a proclamation allowing the government to quarantine people entering the United States to prevent the spread of pestilence due to mounting concerns over tuberculosis. Other times, immigrants were detained because they didn't have immediate family members to meet them or didn't have the financial means to settle in the United States. Only a very small percentage were deported due to health problems or other issues.
That was the men and woman who had escaped leftist ideology of Scandinavia and Germanic to build a country with family values and principles that wasn’t available in Europe at the time. So they came here and laid the bedrock for this nations foundation....
Actually, if you look at the demographics of voting patterns - particularly in the Northeast and Midwest - you discover that those immigrants were indeed very liberal (the Germans less so, but still moreso than the native Anglos). Why do you think Minnesota is so liberal? Not to mention most of the Northeast.
That was the men and woman who had escaped leftist ideology of Scandinavia and Germanic to build a country with family values and principles that wasn’t available in Europe at the time. So they came here and laid the bedrock for this nations foundation ...
German Marxist immigrants who arrived in the United States after the 1848 revolutions in Europe brought socialist ideas with them. Joseph Weydemeyer, a German colleague of Karl Marx who sought refuge in New York in 1851 following the 1848 revolutions, established the first Marxist journal in the United States, Die Revolution, but It folded after two issues. In 1852, he established the Proletarierbund, which would become the American Workers' League, the first Marxist organization in the United States, but it too proved short-lived, having failed to attract a native English-speaking membership. In 1866, William H. Sylvis formed the National Labor Union (NLU). Frederich Albert Sorge, a German who had found refuge in New York following the 1848 revolutions, took Local No. 5 of the NLU into the First International as Section One in the United States. By 1872, there were 22 sections, which held a convention in New York. The General Council of the International moved to New York with Sorge as General Secretary, but following internal conflict it dissolved in 1876.
A larger wave of German immigrants followed in the 1870s and 1880s, including social democratic followers of Ferdinand Lasalle. Lasalle regarded state aid through political action as the road to revolution and opposed trade unionism, which he saw as futile, believing that according to the iron law of wages employers would only pay subsistence wages. The Lasalleans formed the Social Democratic Party of North America in 1874 and both Marxists and Lasalleans formed the Workingmen's Party of the United States in 1876. When the Lasalleans gained control in 1877, they changed the name to the Socialist Labor Party of America (SLP). However, many socialists abandoned political action altogether and moved to trade unionism. Two former socialists, Adolph Strasser and Samuel Gompers, formed the American Federation of Labor (AFL) in 1886.
The Socialist Labor Party (SLP) was officially founded in 1876 at a convention in Newark, New Jersey. The party was made up overwhelmingly of German immigrants, who had brought Marxist ideals with them to North America. So strong was the heritage that the official party language was German for the first three years. In its nascent years, the party encompassed a broad range of various socialist philosophies, with differing concepts of how to achieve their goals. Nevertheless, there was a militia—the Lehr und Wehr Verein—affiliated to the party. When the SLP reorganised as a Marxist party in 1890, its philosophy solidified and its influence quickly grew and by around the start of the 20th century the SLP was the foremost American socialist party.
In fact, a very good argument can be made that if it hadn't been for all that European immigration 1850-1920, US leftism would be entirely different today, and almost certainly considerably smaller. Socialism is a European phenomenon that was brought to the US by European immigrants.
Yes, that is a major reason why the US produced the best economy in history. It was all those immigrants 100-150 years ago that powered a lot of US factories. For example, Ford in the early 1900's employed large numbers of immigrants:
In the late 1800's, the US textile industry overtook the British textile industry in large part because of large numbers of immigrants, particularly in places like the Lower East Side and Garment District in NYC, which employed huge numbers of Jewish immigrants.
Many more examples like that.
excuse me? you know nothing what you are talking about. The U.S. produced the best economy in the world by becoming a super power, having endless resources, expanding territory and create a well-developed infrastructure, and high productivity that immigrants came here to benefit from that system. They didn't create the opportunity, it was already created. That's why they came.
They were only less than 15% of the population. That is not the major reason for the economy.
You are saying 15% of the population carried 85% of the Natives and made this economy? LMAO. Sounds like some B.S. open borders endless immigration B.S.
In 2014, I rented a single wide in a mobile home park for a year before I bought my house.
I had a neighbor that I got to know. He was from El Salvador, on the temporary program ( I can't remember
what it was called). His English was not so good, but he tried. He was an amazing person. He mowed my lawn,
and he repaired the cheap lawnmower I gave him. He was as neat and clean as a pin. He washed and waxed
his car, he worked 40 hours a week for a lawn service and he cleaned the mobile home **** and span when he
was home. He was always quiet and polite. When the time came for me to move out, it was in the middle of
the blistering hot summer. He came over and he started helping me pack! He didn't ask me for a dime, he
just helped me and I was so grateful.
I invited his common law wife and he to visit when I moved. He installed all my new ceiling fans that I bought for the house.
He was an amazing electrician and he changed out all my light fixtures. He just impressed me with his work
ethic. This was now the late summer of 2015. He used to ask me why Trump hated Hispanics so much. I
felt so sorry when he said that, I could tell that he was dying to make a favorable impression on someone he
wanted to respect as president. He and his wife moved a few months later, out of state. His wife was a white
U.S. citizen, she told me that she went back to El Salvador to meet his family.
He told me that sometimes the guys at the lawn service would pass out and die from heat stroke in the summer.
He would have made an amazing citizen if he had the opportunity to do so. He was an incredible, capable person.
It's not about being lazy. It's about wanting to be educated and advance your career. This is what most Americans strive for. And cleaning houses adds nothing to your resume unless you want to be head house cleaner
if wages are lowered by cheap immigration it will be hard to get Americans to take it and work for low wages.
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Not to mention most of the Northeast.