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This is absolutely laughable. The only way to have a reasonable discussion is when we include suicides (almost 50% of deaths by firearm), and the nightly shootings, some of them fitting the definition of a mass shooting that happens in our inner cities and trailer parks across the nation. The only way to have a reasonable discussion is when the politicians and media stop politicizing "certain" mass shootings. The only way to have a reasonable discussion is when one side realizes banning firearms that are rarely used, and by look makes no sense.
Once both sides can have a rational discussion, nothing will happen. Personally, I think Biden and this administration will be able to push though some band aid legislation , and it will do nothing.
Exactly.
You can't discuss anything with people who base their entire opinion on hyperbole, willful ignorance and misinformation.
Major changes to our gun laws would require a constitutional amendment but even a minor changes like universal background checks would require 60 votes unless they do away with the filibuster. We have a very troubling gun culture in our country when people like this can have easy access to this type of gun.
Constitutional rights are SUPPOSED to be easy to exercise.
You know......that whole "shall not be infringed" part of the 2nd amendment?
That's actually supposed to be taken seriously..... it's not a suggestion.
Then the laws need to be tightened up. No one. No one just out of inpatient mental health treatment should be allowed to buy a gun. That is the Lowest of bars. Way too high risk.
Slippery slope
Define mental illness
where does it end?
Anxiety that millions have? Parkinsons? Brain injuries? Who decides this list? How do you go about removing weapons from all these millions of people now on said list?
Any legislation is negated as we speak, by the current massive-surge in gun-sales........this always happens when they talk of restrictions/bans on certain weapons.
Major changes to our gun laws would require a constitutional amendment but even a minor changes like universal background checks would require 60 votes unless they do away with the filibuster. We have a very troubling gun culture in our country when people like this can have easy access to this type of gun.
why is it the democrats continue to want to get rid of the filibuster.... the filibuster is part of the checks and balances
They're perfectly fine with the people who are making the laws and the people who enforce the laws having guns.
"There are only a few laws in history that are universally applicable. One of these is that the ruling classes do not want the peasantry armed. They will do what they can to convince you that to be armed is dangerous. They will attempt to do this while they themselves are surrounded by armed body guards. Idiots will not notice this hypocrisy and sycophants will ignore it. Fools will surrender their arms in the name of "safety". They will insensibly surrender their liberty at the same time. This is how slaves are made."
There are lists that have and can be made and that law abiding businesses use to screen customers. This is not illegal or unconstitutional.
You can’t buy a gun, or vote, if you are a convicted felon because you are on a list.
Can’t rent an apartment Or get some jobs, if you are not on a list that says you have a good credit rating.
Can’t get healthcare if you are not on the list that says you have insurance.
Then call Sleepy Joe to get some executive orders in place. Oops, Biden wants congress to hash it out.
Welp, looks like there won't be any universal background checks anytime soon, which is what liberals get for electing a moderate.
Just about the only thing he can do with EO is limit imports......That's why foreign owned weapons manufacture have factories in the USA and purchased American company's.
Just to quibble a bit. The “anti-gun” crowd are not actually against guns, they’re all for guns, that protect them. They’re even for walls depending on where they are and whether it protects them directly or not, subject only to whatever arbitrary measurements they use to gain power (voters in the case of a border wall). They’re of the same ilk as the anti-Fascist and the anti-racist. They’re not anti-Fascist, they are fascist in every sense of the word. They’re not anti-racist, they are racist in every sense of the word. The difference is it’s fascism, racism and an armory in the “correct” direction for the “correct” ideology.
Social constructionism allows a person to take whatever stance they want for whatever desired outcome they’re looking for for whatever reason they can come up with and you can’t question it because that’s their “lived” experience. Doing so is you questioning their existence (in a world with no objective reality).
"The debate over gun control can be summed up thusly: Those of us who don't like guns in the hands of our non-costumed brethren, will vote to ensure men with guns, under the guise of the "law," will come and take the property that is rightfully yours, killing you should you resist our will sufficiently.
This is what we call "violence by-proxy" and makes the voter for violence no less culpable in the extortion and death that will ensue.
As Stefan Molyneux correctly observed; if a person claims they are non-violent and are for “gun control” they are not truly anti-gun nor are they non-violent people - because the reality is that guns and violence will be needed to disarm innocent law abiding people.
This is because those people who claim they are anti-gun and anti-violence, who claim to support “gun control,” will need the credible threat of police violence and the police’s guns to take away other people’s guns should they resist the attempt to further centralize their monopoly on violence.
So those who claim to be anti-gun and anti-violence are really very pro-gun and very pro-violence. They ultimately believe that only government officials (which are of course portrayed as reliable, honest, moral, and virtuous) should be allowed to have guns. This obviously flies in the face of reality as the 20th century has proven once and for all.
It’s important to note that those who advocate this type of centralized monopoly of violence do so as cowards, because it’s not their lives on the line, rather they advocate others using violence on their behalf in order to force their misguided views on innocent people who wish to do nothing other than protect themselves and other innocents.
There is no such thing as "gun control," there is only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small, political class and the forces they control which, as recent history has proven is a murderous nightmare for the peace loving, disenfranchised, and disarmed citizenry."--Ron Danielowski
Quite a long thread and sorry I haven't read every comment. As someone who used to handle background checks, I can say that my department did a thorough search when requested by law enforcement from other jurisdictions. We stopped a lot of felons from acquiring a gun in other states. I can't say all jurisdictions are as thorough but adding more restrictions to an already sufficient action isn't going to stop shootings.
Personally, I find no reason for a law abiding citizen to own an assault rifle. Other guns? Okay, fine. That's just me, though. As for stopping people from getting their hands on a gun??? They can pass all the laws they want. Criminals can and will get a gun if they want it. You just have to know where to go and who to ask for. Heck, even I could have a gun and ammo in my hands within the hour, if I chose to. No background check, either. Why don't politicians get that? Stop blocking responsible gun owners. They aren't the problem.
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I can't say all jurisdictions are as thorough but adding more restrictions to an already sufficient action isn't going to stop shootings. 
