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Old 04-11-2021, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Oklazona Bound View Post
Canada is not so rich. I believe their budget deficit for 2021 is about $400 billion dollars. And since our economy is 12 times bigger than theirs that is a problem. The Canadian dollar is not a safe haven.


And as others have said their vaccine rollout is a dumpster fire. Now they have to lock down again. So much for socialism.
Canada is a rich country and we will be fine. The Canadian dollar is the sixth most held currency in reserve. We are also the 12 largest export economy in the world.

Roll out hasn't been stellar, but we are getting there.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canad...data-1.5980588

Throwing around the word " socialism ' ?

So what do you call your vaccine roll out? It certainly isn't capitalism, otherwise you would be paying out of pocket for yours and wouldn't be available to everyone for no extra charge.
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Old 04-11-2021, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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It wasn't a ban, but restrictions. 300,000 people entered the US from China, the month before. Too late.

As for cutting red tape. No. You have bought into one of Trump's Con moves.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...pportune-time/
So are you saying that he should have imposed the ban earlier? As it was, the Left screamed bloody murder when he did it, calling him xenophobic and racist and all the rest. And this was when it was obvious that coronavirus was looming. If he had done it earlier, you would have heard the screaming from American leftists from all the way up in Canada.

As for the red tape, I don't know the exact process that took place. But I do know that the lag time of a new medicine from the first step of development to government approval is typically measured in years, sometimes even decades. It is nothing short of miraculous that we have vaccines now, just one year after the virus first hit here. If Trump isn't to receive the credit for this, who should?
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Old 04-11-2021, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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So are you saying that he should have imposed the ban earlier? As it was, the Left screamed bloody murder when he did it, calling him xenophobic and racist and all the rest. And this was when it was obvious that coronavirus was looming. If he had done it earlier, you would have heard the screaming from American leftists from all the way up in Canada.

As for the red tape, I don't know the exact process that took place. But I do know that the lag time of a new medicine from the first step of development to government approval is typically measured in years, sometimes even decades. It is nothing short of miraculous that we have vaccines now, just one year after the virus first hit here. If Trump isn't to receive the credit for this, who should?
Yes, but you have to see this through a Canadians eyes. Canada also should have banned international travel much earlier. When we did, no one was shouting racist etc.

It's not a left/right thing in Canada. People expect the decisions made to be based on sound medical advice from the experts.

Leaders from all parties in Canada, from Green, Liberal, Conservative, NDP, and Bloc Quebecois, were on the same page.

As for vaccine development. The credit goes to those working on the vaccine. It is THEY who ramped up R&D.
It was a worldwide effort to work and get a vaccine out as soon as possible. Canada approved a vaccine around the same time as the US, I believe.

Trump took credit, for others hard work. No surprise there.
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Old 04-11-2021, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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As for vaccine development. The credit goes to those working on the vaccine. It is THEY who ramped up R&D.
It was a worldwide effort to work and get a vaccine out as soon as possible. Canada approved a vaccine before the US did.

Trump took credit, for others hard work. No surprise there.
Not that you'd have any reason to be aware of how medicines get their approval here in the U.S., but it's a very very slow, time-consuming, smothered in red-tape process. The actual development of the medicine may be done fairly quickly. But getting approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration can drag it out interminably. They have to do tests, and trials, and then more tests and more trials, and so on. Generally, they don't have any sense of urgency whatsoever, so they'll take their own sweet time running things through their process. It can, and almost always does, take years.

I give full credit to the scientists and doctors and researchers who developed these vaccines as quickly as they did. But I also give former President Trump credit for slicing through the red tape of our own government to start getting the vaccines into the arms of the people as quickly as they did.
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Old 04-11-2021, 04:01 PM
 
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Canada is a rich country and we will be fine. The Canadian dollar is the sixth most held currency in reserve. We are also the 12 largest export economy in the world.

Roll out hasn't been stellar, but we are getting there.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canad...data-1.5980588

Throwing around the word " socialism ' ?

So what do you call your vaccine roll out? It certainly isn't capitalism, otherwise you would be paying out of pocket for yours and wouldn't be available to everyone for no extra charge.

In my area the vast majority of shots are being given by the healthcare system NOT government. Back when there were only a few case in the US Trump contracted to buy enough doses for every American with millions of doses to spare. WE used the existing healthcare system to do much of the actual vaccination and now we are doing far better than Canada or Europe. Also the US healthcare system gave us a case fatality rate much lower (half) that of Canada. That means a Canadian who got infected was much more likely to die than someone in the US and that was after five Democrat governors put infected people into nursing homes killing tens of thousands.
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Old 04-11-2021, 04:03 PM
 
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Not that you'd have any reason to be aware of how medicines get their approval here in the U.S., but it's a very very slow, time-consuming, smothered in red-tape process. The actual development of the medicine may be done fairly quickly. But getting approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration can drag it out interminably. They have to do tests, and trials, and then more tests and more trials, and so on. Generally, they don't have any sense of urgency whatsoever, so they'll take their own sweet time running things through their process. It can, and almost always does, take years.

I give full credit to the scientists and doctors and researchers who developed these vaccines as quickly as they did. But I also give former President Trump credit for slicing through the red tape of our own government to start getting the vaccines into the arms of the people as quickly as they did.

It was Trump's order for hundreds of millions of doses (enough to vaccine every American will millions of doses to spare) which funded this all. It gave the companies a guaranteed revenue stream if they came through with a good product. This is basic economics and supply and demand.
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Old 04-11-2021, 04:23 PM
 
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I'm considering moving to Canada to be honest... Calgary would be a solid place to live.
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Old 04-11-2021, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Be real...Canada's rate of virus is much lower than USa -- per capita -- but none of us should be traveling internationally anywhere......
Why not? You're vaccinated right?
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Old 04-11-2021, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Yes, but you have to see this through a Canadians eyes. Canada also should have banned international travel much earlier. When we did, no one was shouting racist etc.

It's not a left/right thing in Canada. People expect the decisions made to be based on sound medical advice from the experts.

Leaders from all parties in Canada, from Green, Liberal, Conservative, NDP, and Bloc Quebecois, were on the same page.

As for vaccine development. The credit goes to those working on the vaccine. It is THEY who ramped up R&D.
It was a worldwide effort to work and get a vaccine out as soon as possible. Canada approved a vaccine around the same time as the US, I believe.

Trump took credit, for others hard work. No surprise there.
Lol! Trump set the stage and enabled the vaccines. Not that anyone needs one, unless you're old and already sick. Such drivel as usual.
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Old 04-11-2021, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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First don't judge a whole country by a few on the internet.

Second, it's false to say Canadians aren't fond of Americans. We judge people on a person to person basis, and yes on CD we do have to " fight back " on some of the silly and sweeping statements made.

Like you just did.

I'm sure many Americans on the forum, who have been to Canada, will tell you that that what you say is untrue.
Yes what I said could be characterized as a “sweeping generalization”, I’ll admit that. I have been to Canada many times (although not in past 20 years). I once lived literally on the border. I could actually see Canada from my front porch...literally. Obviously I have had a lot of interaction with Canadians in those years I was up there. First I will say that I do like Canada. Those years living up there gave me an interest in Canada as well. I do regularly chastise those Americans on this forum who say nasty things about Canada that are simply based in ignorance. However from my experience what I said is true to at least some extent. There seems to be a deep desire on the part of Canadians to separate themselves from us in anyway they can, almost always in a way that paints themselves in a morally superior position to Americans. Condescending comments from Canadians are common, even sometimes from Canadian political figures. The comments on these forums are more than not negative towards Americans. There is literally no tolerance for he political differences that exist between our two countries. Our gun laws and healthcare are the best examples but far from the only ones. Not all Canadians are like this, I’ve met really good people up there. Also true that internet Canadians are much more smug than real life ones. It is true however that there are a fair amount of Canadians who do fit the stereotype of the smug Canadian....enough anyway to keep that stereotype alive. There are also a fair amount of Canadians who would like to keep that border closed as long as possible. I do believe it will be years before Justin will let us in. To many Canadians we are the Cousin Eddy of he anglophone family of nations. This is not all Canadians of course but it is a significant number I am talking about.

Before you point it out I will state the obvious....we have our own bozos who make really stupid comments about Canada. We do know that. We have political figures (Trump the obvious one) who have done the same. I do think however that we have less of these people proportionally than y’all do.
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