CDC says don't go to Canada (economy, elect, government, states)

[Enough_Already]

Originally Posted by markjames68

$39 billion is a fair amount. That’d be like 10x that in the US.

Tell that to all the businesses in Niagara Falls Ontario and many other border areas. They make much of their money from US citizens. Much of the income of people living in those areas is made up of money spent by US citizens.

[Enough_Already]

Originally Posted by roodd279

That's about 2% of Canada's GDP. Our latest stimulus was 2% of USA GDP.


Lots and lots of negative press about that amount. Huge difference, though - it was once.


Canada would be doing it over and over again. It's a huge amount.

Remember that is not spread evenly throughout Canada. Certain parts of Canada depend on money spent by US tourists for much of their income.

[Enough_Already]

Originally Posted by Winterbeard

Exactly.

The bottom line is the systems in Canada and Europe are struggling compared to the Unites States.

[skeddy]

CDC should be disbanded, they have done way more harm than good, and 80 year old Fauci has to go.

[Enough_Already]

Originally Posted by Natnasci

I think they are reading or seeing hyped up media reports.

Numbers are up in Canada, sure, but it isn't even close to what you guys have in the US.

If they are afraid of the vaccine, that says quite a bit to me, about their ability to judge the situations rationally.

Canada has a case fatality rate much higher than the US. What that means if someone gets infected, they are more likely to die in Canada than in the US. The vaccines are proven to be safe and effective. Early on the US contracted to by enough doses to vaccinate every person with millions of doses to spare.

[Natnasci]

Originally Posted by Enough_Already

The bottom line is the systems in Canada and Europe are struggling compared to the Unites States.

Each province has it's own healthcare that they run.

In provinces like Quebec where they have a high rate, the hospitals, naturally have more to deal with.

In BC, we have been doing fine, with of course the caveat, the the new variants have caused a spike in hospitalizations. We aren't overrun yet.

This is comparable, if not a better scenario that happened in some places in the US, like NYC and others.

[Natnasci]

Originally Posted by Enough_Already

Canada has a case fatality rate much higher than the US. What that means if someone gets infected, they are more likely to die in Canada than in the US. The vaccines are proven to be safe and effective. Early on the US contracted to by enough doses to vaccinate every person with millions of doses to spare.

Using a case fatality rate is misleading, since the US took a different approach to testing, and tested more people. It doesn't tell the full story. It does not mean that if someone gets infected, they have a higher chance of dying in Canada, than the US. That said, it's not MUCH higher in the US, it's 1.8 percent, Canada is 2.2 percent.

A better way to see how a country is doing is to look at the ACTUAL number of deaths per capita.

As, it has been pointed out before, the US has over THREE times more deaths by Covid per million, than Canada does.

As for procuring vaccines, Canada had procured millions of does, mores than our population, it's just that we were let down by the suppliers. Things are bouncing back up. All my friends have their first dose, and I get mine on Monday.

As for which country is safer to travel in? I'd say neither. I certainly wouldn't risk going to some parts of the US, and I certainly wouldn't risk travelling within Canada. Everyone should just stay put until it is truly safe to travel in either country.

[Fleet]

Originally Posted by Natnasci

Careful now.

Remember when your country was an example of what not to do during a pandemic.

No one called you what you just said, but they did call your president and his inactions that.

Oh, you mean like the President who banned/restricted travel from China even though many Democrats called him "racist" for doing so?

Or like the President who cut the red tape which allowed vaccines to be approved in only 10 months when it usually takes 2-3 years?

[middle-aged mom]

Originally Posted by Enough_Already

So much for socialized medicine.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/coronaviru...ure-vaccinated

As it relates to vaccine, it’s all socialized. Who do you think is paying for doses, staffing physical sites, etc. in the US?

Seems Canada was a tad slow ordering vaccines, not too diff than the Trump Admin who allowed multiple options to order more Pfizer to expire, last summer. It finally ordered another 100 million doses on 12/23. Delivery is expected 6/30-7/31.

We’ll be swimming in vaccine this summer and will likely help out out her countries as was done with the great ventilator give-a-way, last year.

Israel continues to be the most vaccinated country because they were willing to pay a premium to get more.

Canada is not eager to welcome any non Canadians and returning Canadians. One needs a recent negative tests and then self fund a mandatory 14 day quarantine in a designated hotel ,at the traveller’s expense.

Several countries have imposed serious restrictions on travel. Israel closed all international airports. No one, including returning ccitizens could enter. Australia and NZ mandate 14 day quarantines. Japan has not been too keen on admitting any outsiders.

In order for a returning US citizen to be admitted , he must demonstrate a very recent negative test. If positive, he will not be able to board a flight home until he quarantines in place and can provide a negative test.

In the meantime, the likes of DeSantis threatens to sue the CDC if it does not allow cruise ships to sail from Florida ports. It’s a political stunt given there is no port that is going to welcome thousands of passengers, right now. And what becomes of those passengers who test positive during the cruise?

[middle-aged mom]

Originally Posted by jergesn

I would say if CDC USA is saying DONT GO,the reality is GO GO GO!!!

The reality is Canada says, no thank you.

You need a negative test and to self fund a 14 day quarantine at a hotel designated for that purpose. Your meals will be delivered to your room.