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Most likely. But until then we will have more international travel restrictions.
You’re not going to get everyone in this country vaccinated unless you think it’s worth it to hold people down and forcefully inject them so it’s unrealistic even domestically. The plan is not workable by any stretch of the imagination. People are going to need accept reality.
You’re not going to get everyone in this country vaccinated unless you think it’s worth it to hold people down and forcefully inject them so it’s unrealistic even domestically. The plan is not workable by any stretch of the imagination. People are going to need accept reality.
I agree. But the more we get vaccinated in a short time the better. This is Pandemic risk management.
No, that's what you fail to comprehend about a vaccine. It IS about the person who is vaccinated. Otherwise there would be no point of even having a vaccination. Sorry to burst you bubble, but your collectivist indoctrination does NOT fit this situation.
A vaccination protects the person who gets the vaccine. No more, no less (assuming the vaccination is effective).
Whose turn is it to explain the concept of herd immunity?
ChrisC, this is something you're going to have to come to terms with, because it's a fact: Epidemics run in populations. If people choose to not take precautions, they're not just making a choice on their own behalf, they're making a choice for everyone they come in contact with.
Viruses cannot comprehend the idea of a libertarian philosophy. All they can do is what evolution made them do: Pass on their genetic material onto any available host. The percentage of hosts that engage in behavior to make the virus' job easier determine their success. And that's in the population - collectively, if you will.
Sorry, I didn’t know you were talking about vaccines that actually provide longer term immunity, just viruses that constantly mutate. Not all vaccines provide lifelong immunity. Pertussis is one that doesn’t for example.
I’ve had one flu shot more than 20 years ago and never will get another. I’ve only had the flu once since then and had been exposed several time other times but didn’t get it.
I’m very pro choice when comes to vaccines and would never tell anyone to get one or not for anything.
Well, to be fair, I didn't specify which vaccines I was talking about.
For me, the glaring bottom line is that most people today do not understand what a vaccine is. It's hard to comprehend why they don't understand. All I can think of is the younger generation's inclination to view everything through the prism of collectivism. (since they've been indoctrinated to think that way from birth, like kamikazes)
But at it's core, a vaccine protects the person who gets it (assuming it is effective) against the disease it is made to inoculate against. No more, no less. It's like a shield. If I'm carrying a shield, that shield does not protect the guy standing a hundred yards away from an incoming arrow or blow from a sword. HE NEEDS his own shield. If he doesn't have that shield, it means squat to me. Because I have my shield. If I don't have my shield, I take my own chances... but again, that doesn't affect the guy standing a hundred yards from me.
This is not a collectivist thing. A vaccine is a one by one girding of "armor." Your armor does not protect me and mine does not protect you. It's interesting that any common serf in the middle ages would have understood this, but we can't today. Breathtaking, really. Now if one wants to argue that if we all have shields, our "army" is stronger. But that is another argument and not at all what I'm referencing in these posts.
Well, to be fair, I didn't specify which vaccines I was talking about.
For me, the glaring bottom line is that most people today do not understand what a vaccine is. It's hard to comprehend why they don't understand. All I can think of is the younger generation's inclination to view everything through the prism of collectivism. (since they've been indoctrinated to think that way from birth, like kamikazes)
But at it's core, a vaccine protects the person who gets it (assuming it is effective) against the disease it is made to inoculate against. No more, no less. It's like a shield. If I'm carrying a shield, that shield does not protect the guy standing a hundred yards away from an incoming arrow or blow from a sword. HE NEEDS his own shield. If he doesn't have that shield, it means squat to me. Because I have my shield. If I don't have my shield, I take my own chances... but again, that doesn't affect the guy standing a hundred yards from me.
This is not a collectivist thing. A vaccine is a one by one girding of "armor." Your armor does not protect me and mine does not protect you. It's interesting that any common serf in the middle ages would have understood this, but we can't today. Breathtaking, really. Now if one wants to argue that if we all have shields, our "army" is stronger. But that is another argument and not at all what I'm referencing in these posts.
The reason your whole hypothesis falls flat is the vast numbers of active Covid 19 infections out in the world right now.
Whose turn is it to explain the concept of herd immunity?
ChrisC, this is something you're going to have to come to terms with, because it's a fact: Epidemics run in populations. If people choose to not take precautions, they're not just making a choice on their own behalf, they're making a choice for everyone they come in contact with.
Viruses cannot comprehend the idea of a libertarian philosophy. All they can do is what evolution made them do: Pass on their genetic material onto any available host. The percentage of hosts that engage in behavior to make the virus' job easier determine their success. And that's in the population - collectively, if you will.
It's simple. Humanity or the virus, pick a side.
People who don't get the vaccine may get covid and recover and then are part of the "herd".
And there are people with super robust immunity systems that never seem to catch anything and get no shots.
Every human is different. The sick, the weak and the old are the first to drop and that applies to any novel sickness that strikes a population..human, animal, vegetable.
There is a natural order to things and all the vaccines in the world won't change it.
Once everyone who wants one gets one, we need to move on and stop trying to force everyone to get on board.
That won't stop anytime soon because of mutations and the yet to be determined duration of natural and vaccine induced immunities. We might have to settle for a situation like Influenza. Not the best of worlds, but a whole lot better than continued and rampant Covid 19.
That won't stop anytime soon because of mutations and the yet to be determined duration of natural and vaccine induced immunities. We might have to settle for a situation like Influenza. Not the best of worlds, but a whole lot better than continued and rampant Covid 19.
I do think it will end up being similar to influenza.
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