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9/11 wasn't a conspiracy, when in the world are you people going to get that through your tin hats.
So then how is it that 5 Israelis end up in the parking lot of an apartment complex across the river from the WTC with a video camera mounted on a tri-pod standing on top of their moving van at 8:35 am on 9-11?
Was it a Yaweh thing? Ya think Yaweh said
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Originally Posted by Yaweh
"Hey fellas, grab your video camcorder and a tripod, drive to this apartment complex and get on top of your van no later than 8:35 am so you'll all be able to get a clear view of 2 planes hitting the WTC starting at 8:49 am.
Then, when apartment complex residents get upset at your high-fiving and gloating over the burning towers, drive over to Liberty Park and dance around and celebrate the fact that 3,000 Americans were ground into hamburger and char-broiled over a collapsing tower."
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Originally Posted by Rumblebelly
BTW, your no resistance argument has no merit as well. The towers fell nowhere near freefall, the debris fell much faster than the towers. Your conspiracy sources are a bunch of liars.
And so are you.
You watch a video in which the debris falls faster than the towers, then make the false claim like the video that the debris was falling at free fall speed so therefore the towers were falling much slower.
As any idiot can see, the height of the towers at 1,300+ feet puts free fall at about 9.5 seconds.
FEMA says the towers collapsed in 9 and 11 seconds respectively, in which case WTC1 collapsed at free-fall speed and WTC2 slightly slower than free fall.
Of course the, um, "debris" was falling faster. Using the correct term, "ejecta," would help explain things. The ejecta was ejected from the towers by force, and thus has an initial velocity greater than "0" imparted on it and would of course exceed free fall speed (unless you're daft enough to believe that if you fire a gun pointed at the ground it will slow to free fall speed or slower).
The towers had an initial velocity of "0" since they were stationary until collapse.
you can watch a 27 story building being imploded by controlled demolition. It collapses in just over 7 seconds.
What can we conclude by comparing video of the controlled demolition of the 27-story Sander Hall and WTC1 and WTC2?
1) Sander was 332 feet high. In free fall Sander should have collapsed at about 4.5 seconds, but it didn't. Instead, Sander collapses at the much slower speed of 7 seconds, suggesting that resistance delayed it even though it was a controlled demolition.
2) Likewise both towers collapse at just over free fall speed WTC1 at 9 seconds instead of 8.5 seconds and WTC 2 at 11 seconds instead of 8.5 seconds, suggesting that resistance delayed it.
At this point, the only way to rule out the use of PBX is to conduct a forensic investigation, gather evidence and test for the presence of PBX residue that permeated porous materials while in a gaseous state during explosion. Unfortunately, that is no longer possible since all evidence was illegally removed or has been destroyed.
At standard ambient temperature and pressure (70 °F and 14.696 psia), dry air has a density of ρSTP = 0.075 lbm/ft3.
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Sander Hall should have taken 11 seconds to collapse. It collapsed faster, but we know for a fact it was a controlled demolition.
WTC 1 and WTC it should have take 45 seconds to collapse, not 9 and 11 seconds respectively.
Was it a controlled demolition?
If not, how do you explain the rapid collapse at and near free fall speed for WTC 1 and WTC 2 respectively?
If I had sufficient data, I could factor in material resistance, from the structure itself, the flooring and building materials, but it would seem to belabor the point, which is that both towers fell faster than they should have if they collapsed according to the theories presented by FEMA and NIST.
Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center
So, you're admitting you were wrong.
Marvin P. Bush did not tell anyone to do anything. As a principal, he's nothing more than an investor and neither manages nor oversees day-to-day operations.
By innuendo you're falsely suggesting that Marvin Bush ordered the fireman and workers back into the building. That's absolutely disgusting and you and people like you stooping to such low levels is what has irreparably damaged any hope of ever finding the real truth about 9-11.
For your information, Bush had left Securacom in 2000, about 1 year before 9-11.
2) Likewise both towers collapse at just over free fall speed WTC1 at 9 seconds instead of 8.5 seconds and WTC 2 at 11 seconds instead of 8.5 seconds, suggesting that resistance delayed it.
Sander Hall should have taken 11 seconds to collapse. It collapsed faster, but we know for a fact it was a controlled demolition.
WTC 1 and WTC it should have take 45 seconds to collapse, not 9 and 11 seconds respectively.
The North tower came down in about 12 seconds at an estimated speed of about 125 mph. In a free fall, with no resistance, its collapse would have taken 8 seconds at a speed of about 186 mph.
Marvin P. Bush did not tell anyone to do anything. As a principal, he's nothing more than an investor and neither manages nor oversees day-to-day operations.
By innuendo you're falsely suggesting that Marvin Bush ordered the fireman and workers back into the building. That's absolutely disgusting and you and people like you stooping to such low levels is what has irreparably damaged any hope of ever finding the real truth about 9-11.
For your information, Bush had left Securacom in 2000, about 1 year before 9-11.
I never said that Marvin ordered anything - that is strictly YOUR inference. Securacom DID have the elevator banks closed for days on end though, and it is just a strange coincidence that Bush's brother was a principal
Marvin P. Bush did not tell anyone to do anything. As a principal, he's nothing more than an investor and neither manages nor oversees day-to-day operations.
By innuendo you're falsely suggesting that Marvin Bush ordered the fireman and workers back into the building. That's absolutely disgusting and you and people like you stooping to such low levels is what has irreparably damaged any hope of ever finding the real truth about 9-11.
For your information, Bush had left Securacom in 2000, about 1 year before 9-11.
An 'investor' could just be a shareholder, and Marvin Bush was much more than that. he was on the board of directors, which has a lot of say in what direction the company takes.
I'm not a fan of Conspiracy theories and all that garbage, and I certainly don't believe this one. You really think our own government would do this? Not to mention the fact that Osama himself said he did it, so the US government must be working with him too, right? The government must be killing our own troops overseas too then? What about the terror attacks in Europe, was the US government behind those attacks?
The United States wanted in on WWII but we couldn't just barge our way in, we needed a reason. Supposedly we knew there was going to be an attack on Pearl Harbor and we let it happen so we could get into the war and try out our Atom bomb. So would the government shrink from doing it again?? There's too many things about 9-11 that don't make sense.
Ground Zero, and the remains of the towers, were sifted through, analyzed, photographed etc more than any other ruble in the history of the world (IMO).
I do not believe in the conspiracy theories
I don't either...Besides the fact people (Osama Bin Laden) have taken responsibility for it. Or was the Bush in a turban...
The United States wanted in on WWII but we couldn't just barge our way in, we needed a reason. Supposedly we knew there was going to be an attack on Pearl Harbor and we let it happen so we could get into the war and try out our Atom bomb. So would the government shrink from doing it again?? There's too many things about 9-11 that don't make sense.
The US didn't merely allow Pearl Harbor to happen, rather its intent was to counter-ambush the Japanese. That would accomplish two things, give the US a reason to be involved in WW II and destroy a large part of the Japanese naval forces in the Pacific.
The US got its intelligence from a German whose family had lived in Ukraine since the time of the Lithuanian and Teutonic Empires. His name was Viktor Sorga and he was posted to the Reich Embassy in Tokyo.
Had it not been for Sorga, the Germans would have defeated the Soviets at Stalingrad and destroyed the US fleet at Pearl Harbor, including all 4 aircraft carriers.
Sorga misidentified a Japanese ship, and as a result the US believed the Japanese would arrive Tuesday, December 9 and attack at mid-day or some time on Wednesday.
The US armed and fueled every fighter plane at the airfields in Hawaii, then parked them wingtip-to-wingtip to allow fast take-off. The US also planned to bring in 4 squadrons of B-17 bombers to chase down and bomb the Japanese fleet once they were located. Squadrons arrived on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday (during the actual attack) with the 4th squadron to arrive on Monday into to prepare for Tuesday's attack. The US also placed an aerial radar on one of the outer islands to detect in-coming aircraft and provide advance warning.
The US sent all 4 carriers and their destroyer escorts to points northwest of Hawaii to await the arrival of the Japanese fleet. The US plan was to have the fighters trail the surviving Japanese aircraft back to their carriers, radio in the location then send the B-17s and the carrier bombers to attack the Japanese.
It would have worked if they had gotten the date right.
Truman reclassified all of the documents in 1947 so they will not be scheduled for declassification review until 2022.
Unfortunately, I believe that so long as there are WWII veterans living, the information will not be declassified.
No doubt about it, it was orchistrated from the highest levels in government and military groups. Im in no doubt there was a coup on the american government/military, probably by the Bush family, Cheney, Wolfowitz, etc. Bushs dad and friends.
Everyone involved had some small part to play or something to gain. It cant all be done with mind control, bribery doesnt work as people can be too easily tricked into dopping the ball. Wether it be fema operations to confuse everything on the day, Wether it be paper trails of Enron etc which were stored and lost in the buildings. People who were strangely invited to the buildings that day, people who were strangleyt invited away from the buildings that day. People who were told not to fly, people who where told to dump stock. Just getting a big picture of players and gainers should shed some light.
I think a shadow government exists in america now, put in place following 911, what im unsure of is what happens to the shadow government when Bush leaves office?? do they get to sit behind and above the new government.
The laughable part, america gets holywood style terror attack with planes and sky scrapers. The UK gets buses and tube station terror attack. Both had companys running terrorist attack scenarios on the day (uk being 7/7)
with the same scenario! just find out who contracted the companys ffs.
I think this speaks alot of our governments and not of a 3rd party who attacking two enemies.
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911 cmon get the truth out
