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The most vulnerable have 70-80% been vaccinated. Innumerable people have natural immunity. Add those together and this country is at a turning point. Variants are more transmissible but less deadly. By next year this will be more like a seasonal flu. Over 98% recovery rate. It’s ending. The most deaths in the beginning will not repeat.
I don’t see any two-tier system taking hold long term.
By next year it will not scare the daylights out of people.
Media is to blame with their politicization also, and fear porn.
Good luck.
Let's just cut to the chase and admit that America has a certain segment of society that hates the Government and Science.
We have lost nearly a half Million Americans within a year to this horrible plague but some still feel that their "freedumbs" are at risk if they are mandated to be vaccinated.
Or that they have to wear a Mask.
Let's just cut to the chase and admit that America has a certain segment of society that hates the Government and Science.
We have lost nearly a half Million Americans within a year to this horrible plague but some still feel that their "freedumbs" are at risk if they are mandated to be vaccinated.
Or that they have to wear a Mask.
Science says there’s a 98%+ survival rate, and that’s being conservative.
Science also says the vaccine has serious side affects and don’t know the long term affects from it.
Let’s just cut to the chase. Are you a doctor or scientist that knows more than doctors and scientists who have said this?
Well keeping politics out of this lasted an entire 5 posts.
Why is someone who says they are not getting the Vaccine instantly labeled an "Anti-Vaxxer"? Right there you are bringing politics into the discussion because everyone wants to believe there are two sides to this. The "Liberal Pro Vaccine" group vs. the "Right Anti-Vaxxer".
I know several people who are not willing to get a vaccine that is not fully approved(it only has an Emergency Use Authorization) with unknown long-term effects that have only a 95% effectiveness, for something that has a survivability rate of over 98%. But they get their flu shot every year.
If someone feels that they are at risk and want to get the vaccine, then go right ahead. I'm not here to or expecting to change anyone's mind either way. But whether or not you get it should be a decision between you and your doctor and your family.
Right on.
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You’re assuming folks that don’t get the vaccine are “anti-vaxxers”. The fact is that it’s a rushed vaccine with serious side affects...and let’s not forget, “my body my choice”.
This "anti-vaxxer" sentiment is so ridiculous. Its funny how the "My Body My Choice" sentiment and crowd oddly enough don't apply that mantra to vaccines.
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Originally Posted by Bobdreamz
Let's just cut to the chase and admit that America has a certain segment of society that hates the Government and Science.
We have lost nearly a half Million Americans within a year to this horrible plague but some still feel that their "freedumbs" are at risk if they are mandated to be vaccinated.
Or that they have to wear a Mask.
Hates the government? Well, personally YEAH. Why the HECK should I let the government dictate how to treat my health and body? I think anyone who wants or thinks the government has your health as their best interest is out of their dang mind.
"GET THE VACCINE! GET THE VACCINE!" but also lets close all the gyms but leave all the fast food restaurants and liquor stores open. "EVERYONE NEEDS TO GET VAXXED!" yet a lot of those same folks are probably partaking in terrible eating habits and making terrible lifestyle choices. If the government really cared about our health they would be mandating people get healthy. Not the case though.
And you guys with "The Science". WHAT science are you talking about? Because science is not a one way street and isn't an absolute (on my topics). You guys who say "Oh but the SCYIENCE!!" are the real anti-science. You guys don't read, don't research, don't care about anything else but other then what Dr. Fauci and whatever talking heads (who don't and haven't treated a single COVID patient) has to say.
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Originally Posted by vfrex
How far as you willing to go to avoid things where the long term affects are unknown?
FOR AS LONG AS NEED BE. Especially if I don't want to take the dang thing.
But what so many anti-vaxxers don't know or appreciate, is that there is a national reason to get vaccinated even if you are at low risk for Covid 19. And that is to help reduce the size of the active viral pool. The larger and longer that pool exists, the more apt we are to encounter a viral variant that is either more virulent, or can bypass the current vaccines. So it is a patriotic thing to do, when you do what is in the best interest of your country!
Do NOT equate concerns over THESE vaccines with "anti-vaxxer" thinking. They are NOT the same thing, and by conflating the two, you're clouding your own perception of the issue and signaling that you don't even understand it.
It's about SAFETY. These vaccines have NOT been approved. They have NOT been through the same rigorous testing and certification required of every other previous drug or vaccine.
I have no problem with vaccines, generally. I do have a problem with people who see them as a means to exercising social or political power over others, and not the personal, private health care option that they objectively are.
Vaccines wouldn't be such a touchy subject. I can almost guarantee that if politics, mainstream media propaganda and greedy corporations weren't pushing getting the vaccines so hard, we wouldn't be at odds with who is and who isn't getting a vaccine. It would be "business as usual" with vaccines. It would be "Yeah, I'm going to get the vaccine" or "Nah, I'm not going to get it ever/or yet/hold off.". Instead, we have a 2 tier society that is in the works for those whom are vaccinated and unvaccinated. The "unvaccinated" will be looked at as a public health risk, disease ridden, "dirty", "danger to society", exiled, out casted. Granted, I believe and know there are reasonable vaccinated people whom would also be against a 2 tier society. However, besides the "powers that be" there are many of us "everyday folk" who are a bunch of weirdos and will absolutely contribute in empowering a 2 tier society and a new segregation system. And many of these folks are leftist whom always speak of "unity" but they'll cheer this on because they're being told that only "White Supremacist" don't want to get vaccinated.
It baffles me how some of you have been getting played and continued to get played. I am firmly convinced you just don't care about being played because you can't concede that your overlords got many of this stuff wrong pertaining to the COVEED.
This "anti-vaxxer" sentiment is so ridiculous. Its funny how the "My Body My Choice" sentiment and crowd oddly enough don't apply that mantra to vaccines.
Hates the government? Well, personally YEAH. Why the HECK should I let the government dictate how to treat my health and body? I think anyone who wants or thinks the government has your health as their best interest is out of their dang mind.
"GET THE VACCINE! GET THE VACCINE!" but also lets close all the gyms but leave all the fast food restaurants and liquor stores open. "EVERYONE NEEDS TO GET VAXXED!" yet a lot of those same folks are probably partaking in terrible eating habits and making terrible lifestyle choices. If the government really cared about our health they would be mandating people get healthy. Not the case though.
And you guys with "The Science". WHAT science are you talking about? Because science is not a one way street and isn't an absolute (on my topics). You guys who say "Oh but the SCYIENCE!!" are the real anti-science. You guys don't read, don't research, don't care about anything else but other then what Dr. Fauci and whatever talking heads (who don't and haven't treated a single COVID patient) has to say.
FOR AS LONG AS NEED BE. Especially if I don't want to take the dang thing.
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