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Old 09-22-2021, 03:33 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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OK, I will bow to your statement that not all abortions are surgical. I didn't think that it was relevant, as some (most?) abortions are surgical.

Since we agree that at least some abortions are surgical and (I'm assuming) are voluntary, and since you claim that state governments, by dint of the 10th Amendment, have the power to regulate health care, please list which voluntary surgical procedures are regulated by which states.
In regards to voluntary surgery? Cosmetic surgery, as just one example.

The amount of fat a patient can have legally extracted during liposuction differs by state.

https://miaaesthetics.com/how-plasti...tate-to-state/

There are many state regulations affecting voluntary cosmetic surgery.

https://www.plasticsurgery.org/docum...art%202014.pdf

None of that is a violation of the patient's privacy or the protected privacy of the doctor-patient relationship.
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Old 09-22-2021, 06:53 PM
 
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OK, I think that I got it.

In Roe v Wade, the Supreme Court determined that a person has a right of privacy, either under the 14th Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state actions or under the 9th Amendment reservation of rights to the people, and that a woman seeking to terminate a pregnancy via abortion falls under that right of privacy.

Until the 3rd trimester then the rights of the unborn child supersede privacy rights of the mother.
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Old 09-22-2021, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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Roe v Wade will never be overturned. It's been around too long, and we've gone through several generations of women who use abortion as an acceptable birth control method. It's terrible, but it's a fact.
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Old 09-22-2021, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Roe v Wade will never be overturned. It's been around too long, and we've gone through several generations of women who use abortion as an acceptable birth control method. It's terrible, but it's a fact.
Go ahead overturn RvW abortions will continue but it will make life both miserable and dangerous for poor minority women as we roll back the clock to 1973, the good old days. You are on the verge of victory!
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Old 09-22-2021, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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Go ahead overturn RvW abortions will continue but it will make life both miserable and dangerous for poor minority women as we roll back the clock to 1973, the good old days. You are on the verge of victory!
Millions upon millions of the babies of these poor minority women are unavailable for comment.
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Old 09-22-2021, 09:26 PM
 
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Go ahead overturn RvW abortions will continue but it will make life both miserable and dangerous for poor minority women as we roll back the clock to 1973, the good old days. You are on the verge of victory!
You must believe all poor minority women have abortions. Don't give them much credit do you. If that's the case, then the saying "the most dangerous place for an African American is in the womb" holds true. And you defend that.
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Old 09-23-2021, 12:32 AM
 
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Both sides are wrong on this. Abortion should never be at the mere request of the mother to be, but should be mandatory if the mother to be is on any form of public assistance, and should also be sterilized, unless she can name the father to be, in which case he is sterilized.
I would be against sterilization (forced), but for a lifetime ban on the parents collecting all forms of social welfare if "adding" to family while "on the dole".
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Old 09-23-2021, 02:43 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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If it's time to overturn a decision that has been the law of the land for 50 years and is supported by over 60% of the American people, then it might be time to expand the court to correct that.
Some people support Roe because they simply aren't presented with any alternatives.

It's either Roe or no Roe.

However, if you ask the same people about popular, common-sense restrictions, they will indicate they support at least some that Roe does not allow.

Yes, there is a hard-core abortion on demand at any time and for any reason cohort, but they are a tiny minority of purple-haired lesbians.

Roe has always been a fundamentally flawed decision that was reverse engineered to permit abortion with the details for why it ought to be allowed worked out after the fact.

Hopefully this time the Court will issue a decision that has some logic attached to it.
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Old 09-23-2021, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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You must believe all poor minority women have abortions. Don't give them much credit do you. If that's the case, then the saying "the most dangerous place for an African American is in the womb" holds true. And you defend that.
This law will shut down local clinics, middle class women can easily travel to other states.
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Old 09-23-2021, 09:00 AM
 
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This law will shut down local clinics, middle class women can easily travel to other states.
What other states would be exempt from this law? Just like Planned Parenthood, you are targeting a class of people.
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