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Seeing Israel controls the West Bank, and doesn't make any real moves to make the "two state solution" a reality, then should the Palestinians that are subject to Israeli domination and control not be given equal rights to all Israeli's.
Why should they be relegated to be second class human beings? The right thing to happen is that if you have any sense of democratic values, those who are subjugated to Israeli rule, become full, equal and real citizens of Israel.
It is the reality that a Palestinian nation never will exist in the West Bank. (Gaza is a different issue)
Thoughts?
Ireland certainly calls the West Bank "Defacto annexation".
They have a tiger by the tail. If they formally annexed and granted citizenship, that number of Palestinian Arabs would be a huge subset of Israeli society-not at the level of Jewish Israeli numbers, but still a huge, huge minority. Although demographics no longer mean Arabs would outnumber Jews eventually (at one time that was a valid fear), there are still a LOT of Palestinians and the two sides have roughly equivalent fertility rates now. It would certainly make it more difficult for Israel to maintain its character as a Jewish state, an essential part of Israeli identity.
The Palestinians are a conquered people, and the conquerors only last this long thanks to aid from 1st World country.
Without which Israel would have failed a long time ago, and the Palis/Arabs likely make better inroads to taking back turf. We really not have the situation we have today.
Israel be a much weaker state, and the Palestinians, and surround Arabs likely be in a better position.
I sure Lebanon not go through a Civil War as there be less displacement.
They have a tiger by the tail. If they formally annexed and granted citizenship, that number of Palestinian Arabs would be a huge subset of Israeli society-not at the level of Jewish Israeli numbers, but still a huge, huge minority. Although demographics no longer mean Arabs would outnumber Jews eventually (at one time that was a valid fear), there are still a LOT of Palestinians and the two sides have roughly equivalent fertility rates now. It would certainly make it more difficult for Israel to maintain its character as a Jewish state, an essential part of Israeli identity.
Cultural melting pot is the name of the game these days....why do they deserve to be a Jewish state?
They have a tiger by the tail. If they formally annexed and granted citizenship, that number of Palestinian Arabs would be a huge subset of Israeli society-not at the level of Jewish Israeli numbers, but still a huge, huge minority. Although demographics no longer mean Arabs would outnumber Jews eventually (at one time that was a valid fear), there are still a LOT of Palestinians and the two sides have roughly equivalent fertility rates now. It would certainly make it more difficult for Israel to maintain its character as a Jewish state, an essential part of Israeli identity.
However, currently you have millions of Palestinians disinfranchised of real citizenship through no fault of their own. After all... they've always were there, unlike the settlers who took over what is now Israel.
However, currently you have millions of Palestinians disinfranchised of real citizenship through no fault of their own. After all... they've always were there, unlike the settlers who took over what is now Israel.
Moreover, these Zionists “settlers” have no evidence that they are the decedents of those Jews who left Israel centuries ago.
These Zionists are brutally killing innocents Palestinian families and grabbing their homes and land because their religion says so.
I don’t know why westerners come with such terrific idea (probably looks great in western eyes). The fact is that Palestinians do not want Israeli citizenship. None of it.
And why would anyone become citizen of a country that has no right to exist? Should the newly naturalized citizen take an oath, or pledge Allegiance to Israel? Maybe allow them to declare: “I take an oath to do everything I can to destroy the Zionist entity according to Allah’s wish”!
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Why should they be relegated to be second class human beings? The right thing to happen is that if you have any sense of democratic values, those who are subjugated to Israeli rule, become full, equal and real citizens of Israel.
I've heard Zionists say, we'll return Israel to the Palestinians when the U.S. returns North America to the Indians. But Zionists conveniently forget that Indians are full citizens in the U.S. (in addition to having optional reservations, i.e., they can enter the U.S. whenever they want, with full rights). Zionists forget that part.
You take the land, you take the people. And give them full rights.
They have a tiger by the tail. If they formally annexed and granted citizenship, that number of Palestinian Arabs would be a huge subset of Israeli society-not at the level of Jewish Israeli numbers, but still a huge, huge minority. Although demographics no longer mean Arabs would outnumber Jews eventually (at one time that was a valid fear), there are still a LOT of Palestinians and the two sides have roughly equivalent fertility rates now. It would certainly make it more difficult for Israel to maintain its character as a Jewish state, an essential part of Israeli identity.
Maintaining a Jewish identity means that a Jewish man born in Australia can move to an Israel settlement at 40 years of age and become a full citizen and have the same rights as a Jewish person born and raised in a settlement. While a Palestinian born a half a mile a way from the same settlement is denied citizenship and voting rights solely because they are Muslim.
Cultural melting pot is the name of the game these days....why do they deserve to be a Jewish state?
“Deserve?”
Interesting word-and please bear in mind I really tend to support a two-state solution, so don’t mistake this as unqualified support for the current status:
Israel formally defines itself as the national home of the Jewish people in its Basic Laws (the closest equivalent it has to a constitution or defining document), giving legal status to what most considered a fundamental defining principle of Israel’s existence. It is interesting to note that the vote to define this specific Basic Law was recent and close-darned close. How close might it have been with significant additional representation of Arab Israelis? Whether Israel ‘deserves’ to define itself as a Jewish state is a different discussion than your original question. Leaving the West Bank status indeterminate allows Israel to more easily keep that condition.
Who determines whether a country “deserves” to define itself in a certain manner? The UN is the closest thing and it’s a voluntary association of sovereign nation-states, not a world government.
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