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Some states have adopted some forms of rape by deception but I have seen none that go into detail on consent and nothing specifically listing transgenders or same sex deception. It is pretty much a case by case basis. Getting into informed consent can be a pretty slippery slope but who knows it may one day find its way into criminal statute. One day safe sex may mean providing a dossier and getting a signed full disclosure consent form before engaging in any sexual activity.
well, thought agree to disagree. no?
How about just this? Forget about the legal definition of rape, let's just go with this,
The offense committed was clearly murder probably 2nd degree, but not a hate crime.
Maybe you are like "meh". The vast majority of other people are not.
No kidding.
I've been "touched" by both men and women. I can tell you that unwanted Sexual advances are gross, regardless who did it. just gross.
I think this man was sexually violated. Not sure it was rape by legal definition, but this is clearly not a hate crime, nor is it a first degree murder.
How about just this? Forget about the legal definition of rape, let's just go with this,
The offense committed was clearly murder probably 2nd degree, but not a hate crime.
Ok, whatever?
Im not sure what we are agreeing or disagreeing on. Maybe Im having a senior day.
Yes the offense was 2nd degree murder. I thought the issue being discussed was the sexual act and if a transgender person has a legal obligation to disclose their status.
It needs to be a felony to misrepresent your genetic sex to someone in the context of an intimate relationship.
If you have a Y chromosome, you are a male. If not, you are a female. Anyone who says otherwise is a depraved lying liar and probably a sicko. The promotion of this sort of odious perversion should not be appeased, enabled or accommodated. Rather, it should be confidently and offensively rejected and repudiated.
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Ok, whatever?
Im not sure what we are agreeing or disagreeing on. Maybe Im having a senior day.
Yes the offense was 2nd degree murder. I thought the issue being discussed was the sexual act and if a transgender person has a legal obligation to disclose their status.
How about this. How about making it a crime to not disclose your gender during sex acts, if it would be difficult for the average person to discern the gender of each party in the act with a 15 second conversation or by looking at the person?If your gender isn't obvious to the casual observer, you have to disclose it?
And if you choose to have a sex act with someone you haven't looked at or spoken with, it's on you. Better luck next time.
I'm struggling, really, to believe this is as this young man is telling it. Considering the appearance of the deceased, and considering the next "sexual encounter" involved himself and two other men going to the apartment.
It needs to be a felony to misrepresent your genetic sex to someone in the context of an intimate relationship.
If you have a Y chromosome, you are a male. If not, you are a female. Anyone who says otherwise is a depraved lying liar and probably a sicko. The promotion of this sort of odious perversion should not be appeased, enabled or accommodated. Rather, it should be confidently and offensively rejected and repudiated.
Would a person not know that being in an intimate relationship?
I'm not sure lying or deceit should be a felony offense. Boy there would be a lot of people in prison.
How about this. How about making it a crime to not disclose your gender during sex acts, if it would be difficult for the average person to discern the gender of each party in the act with a 15 second conversation or by looking at the person?If your gender isn't obvious to the casual observer, you have to disclose it?
I'm struggling, really, to believe this is as this young man is telling it. Considering the appearance of the deceased, and considering the next "sexual encounter" involved himself and two other men going to the apartment.
I still think maybe we should just bring back some personal responsibility and prudence. Maybe not hop into bed with a stranger you spoke to for 15 seconds. I'm no angle and have engaged in casual sex but I felt the person out enough to know what sex they were. Of course I imagine its a bit different out there now, but still.
I think making it a crime not to disclose your gender on those conditions would leave a lot of room for interpretation and open the door for further forms of disclosure.
I agree that there is more to this particular story.
Would a person not know that being in an intimate relationship?
I'm not sure lying or deceit should be a felony offense. Boy there would be a lot of people in prison.
It is not all that hard to tell a man from a woman, unless that person has gone to extensive efforts to masquerade as something other than what they fundamentally are. No amount of gaslighting or propaganda from the usual lying liars will ever change that. Never.
So the reason this was apparently a problem is because this person was masquerading as a woman when in fact, he is a man. The whole "trans-sexual" exercise is in fact a delusional fiction, but in the context of sexual intimacy, mating and pairing, the offense becomes magnified both morally and socially, to serious criminal proportions.
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It is not all that hard to tell a man from a woman, unless that person has gone to extensive efforts to masquerade as something other than what they fundamentally are. No amount of gaslighting or propaganda from the usual lying liars will ever change that. Never.
So the reason this was apparently a problem is because this person was masquerading as a woman when in fact, she is a man. The whole "trans-sexual" exercise is in fact a delusional fiction, but in the context of sexual intimacy, mating and pairing, the offense becomes magnified both morally and socially, to serious criminal proportions.
This is absolutely unacceptable.
I think maybe you didn't read the story.
This was a gay man. No "trans" about it - he worked full time, in full view of the community, as a man.
As in, male voice, male appearance. You can put a man in a dress, and that's just humor like Monty Python.
You can dress a man in full drag, but the moment he puts two words together, you know it's a man.
At trial I would be very interested to see what made this murderer believe the man giving him oral wasn't a man.
This was a gay man. No "trans" about it - he worked full time, in full view of the community, as a man.
As in, male voice, male appearance. You can put a man in a dress, and that's just humor like Monty Python.
You can dress a man in full drag, but the moment he puts two words together, you know it's a man.
At trial I would be very interested to see what made this murderer believe the man giving him oral wasn't a man.
It does not matter. They are masquerading as something they are not either way. The "Trans" part is irrelevant.
So the reason this was apparently a problem is because this person was masquerading as a woman when in fact, he is a man. In the context of sexual intimacy, mating and pairing, the offense becomes magnified both morally and socially, to serious criminal proportions.
All things considered, the man who killed him should be given a suspended sentence with no jail time.
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