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Old 06-14-2021, 09:24 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Oldhag1 View Post
How do you not get that the biological sexual makeup of a person is fundamental to the sexual act whereas things income, criminal history, marital status, and whatnot might matter emotionally but are not fundamental to the type of sexual activity that is going to be engaged in? It is about the difference between social constructs and biology. Gender is a social construct, sex is biological. Dating is a social construct, sexual activity is biological.
That's your opinion and your welcome to it. Its not every person's opinion and certainly, as it stands, not the legal systems opinion. Apparently being that cases have been tried on rape by deception based on income, potential income, status and marital status these things are indeed fundamental to engaging in sexual activity.
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Old 06-14-2021, 09:40 AM
 
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Sex is giving yourself to another person. If you misrepresent yourself in this sort of a profound way, you are defrauding the other person. Check fraud is similar, when you misrepresent yourself as you pass checks under an identity not your own.

If you have a Y chromosome, you are a male. If not, you are a female. Anyone who says otherwise is a lying liar and probably a sicko, and should not to be trusted.
How frickin lazy does one have to be to not notice their mate lacks the reproductive organs they desire. I'm not saying to call in an OB GYN but good heavens, this situation was a guy who literally simply wanted to be services on occasion one and to hit an split on occasion two. This basically tells me he took no time to tend to any concerns of disease, whether this woman was a total psycho who might physically injure him- or make a sexual assault claim. As a Div 1 football player he is ground zero for woman looking to have a well timed pregnancy or try to blackmail him- I am in no way saying that is common but it happens. So how he gets with the gal twice before making this discovery is rather appalling on its own.

You can barely trust randoms of the internet to be honest about a how they obtained the used goods they are selling- why the heck would you trust them with your sexual health. It would seem that level of hook up follows the principle of buyer be ware.
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Old 06-14-2021, 09:58 AM
 
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How frickin lazy does one have to be to not notice their mate lacks the reproductive organs they desire. I'm not saying to call in an OB GYN but good heavens, this situation was a guy who literally simply wanted to be services on occasion one and to hit an split on occasion two. This basically tells me he took no time to tend to any concerns of disease, whether this woman was a total psycho who might physically injure him- or make a sexual assault claim. As a Div 1 football player he is ground zero for woman looking to have a well timed pregnancy or try to blackmail him- I am in no way saying that is common but it happens. So how he gets with the gal twice before making this discovery is rather appalling on its own.

You can barely trust randoms of the internet to be honest about a how they obtained the used goods they are selling- why the heck would you trust them with your sexual health. It would seem that level of hook up follows the principle of buyer be ware.
I agree. Some are acting like sex is this sacred, fragile gift, yet we are discussing people who are engaging in Tender hook ups with people they have never even met and don't pay enough attention to the other person to even be aware of their sex and then want to martyr them as victims of deception.
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Old 06-14-2021, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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It's an excellent question by the OP but the reaction is completely obvious. The Far Left nonsensical rule applies: "Because your a man, that doesn't count." If you're a white heterosexual male, then you can expect to be outright raped by a woman and that she will never be prosecuted. If your'e black or from some other minority, then you actually might get somewhere with this.

I do think that it is exactly like statutory or passed out drunk rapes. You are unable to consent. If men and women knew that they could legally prosecute such people, it's quite possible that they would press charges instead of going the route of murder. At present, men have no expectation of any legal recourse if get tricked by a Trap (transgender).
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Old 06-14-2021, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Shouldn't have sex with people ya don't know well.

I thought that was a conservative value.

I ain't worried about getting a blow job from a tranny. Are you?

I don't think we need big government to protect a moron who doesn't do due diligence before engaging in oral sex.
This is what makes a rape enabler - your belief that transgender folk are free to engage in sexual assault, only to the point that their deceit gets detected..... the one free grope rule that enablers seem to love.

Maybe we don't need big government to tell us what sexual assault is, and get to decide for ourselves, by stringing the rapist from the nearest tree.

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Old 06-14-2021, 11:09 AM
 
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It's an excellent question by the OP but the reaction is completely obvious. The Far Left nonsensical rule applies: "Because your a man, that doesn't count." If you're a white heterosexual male, then you can expect to be outright raped by a woman and that she will never be prosecuted. If your'e black or from some other minority, then you actually might get somewhere with this.

I do think that it is exactly like statutory or passed out drunk rapes. You are unable to consent. If men and women knew that they could legally prosecute such people, it's quite possible that they would press charges instead of going the route of murder. At present, men have no expectation of any legal recourse if get tricked by a Trap (transgender).
I suppose you didn't read about the actual incident. Not a white heterosexual male in sight. And he was fully able to consent. He travelled there for that very purpose. The problem is when he had buyers remorse/discovered the actual situation, he beat someone to death. Running for the exits or jumping through a window a la the Shenanay sketches from living color would have been perfectly fine. Murdering someone is not regardless of race, gender, or sexual preferences.
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Old 06-14-2021, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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This is not a debate about transgenderism in general and debating it would be off topic. It is strictly about whether a transgendered individual has an obligation to disclose their status prior to sexual activity.

One of the arguments in the date rape of inebriated individuals is that they were incapable of fully consenting to the sexual activity they engaged in, this includes if they agreed to say oral sex and it morphs into coitus. Additionally, it is considered rape if they agree to sex with one person and instead a different person pretending to be that person has sex with them (true case). So, how is it different if in the below instance when a man thought he was consenting to sex with a woman and it turns out to be a man?



https://www.foxnews.com/sports/virgi...fter-catfished

This had an extremely bad outcome. There are going to be people that claim this is a hate crime to which I say absolute bullcrap. I am not excusing the murder, but as far as I am concerned the guy was sexually assaulted. He did not consent to having a biological male perform oral sex on him, which is very clear from his visceral reaction when he did find out. I do not think he should prosecuted any differently than other rape victims who have returned after they were safe and killed their rapist. The non-consensual sexual activity needs to considered a mitigating factor.
I think that you bring up a good argument here.

I think it should not be a crime to lie about one's sex. That's because it's not illegal to lie about other things when one has sex with someone.

You say that it's considered rape if a person agrees to have sex with one person, but it turns out to be a different person than who they've had sex with...but that's not the situation we're talking about. We're not talking about a totally different person replacing the person we've agreed to have sex with. We're, rather, talking about one aspect of a person. This aspect should be treated the same way any other aspect of someone is treated, in my opinion.

Is it wrong to lie about having a wife when you sleep with the girl you met at the bar? Sure. Should it be illegal? No. Is it wrong to lie about having male genitalia when you're about to engage in sexual contact? Sure. Should it be illegal? No.

It should not be illegal, because this is one of those areas in which making it illegal would result in too much government control that results in people being punished in ways they won't have necessarily known would be illegal.

Our society so strongly condemns sexual assault because it's obvious what sexual assault is, both to the perpetrators and the victims. When it comes to lying, through...it's not so obvious.
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Old 06-14-2021, 12:18 PM
 
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It's not rape, it's a great song by the Kinks (Released: 12 June 1970) which just had it's 50th anniversary this weekend.
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Old 06-14-2021, 01:02 PM
 
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I think that you bring up a good argument here.

I think it should not be a crime to lie about one's sex. That's because it's not illegal to lie about other things when one has sex with someone.

You say that it's considered rape if a person agrees to have sex with one person, but it turns out to be a different person than who they've had sex with...but that's not the situation we're talking about. We're not talking about a totally different person replacing the person we've agreed to have sex with. We're, rather, talking about one aspect of a person. This aspect should be treated the same way any other aspect of someone is treated, in my opinion.

Is it wrong to lie about having a wife when you sleep with the girl you met at the bar? Sure. Should it be illegal? No. Is it wrong to lie about having male genitalia when you're about to engage in sexual contact? Sure. Should it be illegal? No.

It should not be illegal, because this is one of those areas in which making it illegal would result in too much government control that results in people being punished in ways they won't have necessarily known would be illegal.

Our society so strongly condemns sexual assault because it's obvious what sexual assault is, both to the perpetrators and the victims. When it comes to lying, through...it's not so obvious.
Exactly. I thought most people wanted government to stay out of our bedrooms.
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Old 06-14-2021, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Exactly. I thought most people wanted government to stay out of our bedrooms.
Maybe a good idea - let people deal with those who sexually assault them, in their own way.

A bullet to the head of the of the transgender who didn't give a **** about your sexuality, even though he probably demands his/her sexuality is enforced by law.
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