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The requirement for you to get the MMR vaccines in spite of having immunity was not science based.
How do you know? They drew a titer first.
Unless a titer is drawn on all of those who believe they have immunity from COVID because they had it, the presumption of immunity is not science based.
Immunity can be established with a titer. But if you actually had measles, mumps and rubella, and later a titer showed that you weren't immune to any of them and needed the MMR, something is wrong either with this story or with your immune system. It's very rare for anyone to get any of those three diseases twice because immunity from natural infection is almost always lifelong.
I never had any of them, but I got the MMR as a child. Twenty years later, I had a titer drawn during my first pregnancy and was immune to rubella (the only disease they were looking at in my case). They didn't bother with my next two pregnancies because, of course, the assumption was that I was STILL immune.
Immunity can be established with a titer. But if you actually had measles, mumps and rubella, and later a titer showed that you weren't immune to any of those and needed the MMR, something is wrong with this picture. It's very rare for anyone to get any of those three diseases twice because immunity from natural infection is almost always lifelong.
I never had any of them, but I got the MMR as a child. Twenty years later, I had a titer drawn during my first pregnancy and was immune to rubella (the only disease they were looking at in my case). They didn't bother with my next two pregnancies because, of course, the assumption was that I was STILL immune.
In my case, the titer for measles showed no immunity.
Unless a titer is drawn on all of those who believe they have immunity from COVID because they had it, the presumption of immunity is not science based.
In my case, the titer for measles showed no immunity.
Unless a titer is drawn on all of those who believe they have immunity from COVID because they had it, the presumption of immunity is not science based.
Is it possible that you were mistaken about having had measles?
This is the opposite situation, but my mother-in-law swore up and down that she had never had chicken pox, despite lots of exposure (her own young children had had it). However, a titer showed that she had antibodies for chicken pox, meaning a prior infection, and therefore should get a shingles vaccination. So people can be wrong about these things.
Unless a titer is drawn on all of those who believe they have immunity from COVID because they had it, the presumption of immunity is not science based.
You are the extremely rare exception then because vaccine induced immunity from a natural measles infection is said to last a lifetime.
If everyone who has had covid gets the vaccine then no one will ever be able to say for sure how long natural immunity lasts since it will have been tainted. The study pools will not exist.
There should be plenty of subjects to be studied somewhere in the world. Especially in the third world.
Correct, which is why I fully support people not getting the vaccine who have had it until we know:
1. How long immunity from natural infection lasts.
2. How long immunity from each of the different vaccines lasts.
It will be a while longer before we know those facts.
The medical communities will study, discuss, decide and then make their recommendations to the general public. As medicine tends to be very conservative, more than likely it will tend to err on the vaccinating side. There should still be plenty of unvaccinated people to study.
As a child, I had both red measles, German measles, chicken pox, and mumps. Still the MMR was required before attending medical school.
Those who refuse the COVID vaccination can expect denial of entry into many colleges and jobs. Their choice not to be vaccinated just as it is the choice of colleges and employers not to accept them.
End of story.
In most instances one can present recent MMR blood titers and bypass the vaccine if proven immune.
I never had German measles, but have adequate immune titers.
Is it possible that you were mistaken about having had measles?
This is the opposite situation, but my mother-in-law swore up and down that she had never had chicken pox, despite lots of exposure (her own young children had had it). However, a titer showed that she had antibodies for chicken pox, meaning a prior infection, and therefore should get a shingles vaccination. So people can be wrong about these things.
You are the extremely rare exception then because vaccine induced immunity from a natural measles infection is said to last a lifetime.
Here is some more science for you since you are obviously a science based person.
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Two studies published yesterday in Science and Science Immunology illustrate how the measles virus causes long-term damage to the immune system, creating a form of immune amnesia that can leave children at an increased risk of illness from other diseases for years.
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