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Old 07-06-2021, 06:57 PM
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Location: Victoria, BC.
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I congratulate you for proving what we already knew, which is that you don't understand even basic high school science.

Who can spot the Göbbels-style propaganda and disinformation in this disingenuous video?

First, the bottles are sealed, meaning a closed system. There is no cap around Earth and it is an open system.

So, this Göbbels-style experiment proves nothing.

Second, she lied by omission by not telling us the energy bandwidth produced by the "lamps." If those lamps do not produce bandwidths identical to the Sun then she not only lied, she committed fraud.

She said she can't bring the Sun into the laboratory, yet she could take the bottles outside where they would be exposed to the Sun.

Why do you think she refused to do that? Because she's a fraud.

Third, she lied by omission when she said "... the Carbon Dioxide molecule is particularly susceptible..." to the radiation emitted by Earth.

It is not. CO2 is only "susceptible" at bandwidths of 2.7 microns, 4.3 microns and 15 microns.

The Earth does not emit black body radiation at the 2.7 micron bandwidth.

Wien's Law T (Temperature) = b / wavelength in micrometers, where "b" is a constant equal to 2,900 um-K.

T = 2,900 um-K / 15 um = 193°K = -112°F

T = 2,900 um-K / 4.3 um = 673.9°K = 753°F

What we can infer from that irrefutable science is that 4.3 microns has far greater energy than 15 microns, however the amount of Black Body Radiation Earth emits at 4.3 microns is minuscule, as this link proves:

https://eesc.columbia.edu/courses/ee...absorption.gif

She perpetrates another fraud by down-playing the impact of Water Vapor.

Water vapor absorbs at 5.9, 6.5, 6.9, 7.2, 7.6, 8.2 and 9.6 microns.

Wien's Law:

T = 2,900 um-K / 5.9 um = 491°K = 424°F
T = 2,900 um-K / 6.5 um = 446°K = 343°F
T = 2,900 um-K / 6.9 um = 420°K = 296°F
T = 2,900 um-K / 7.2 um = 402°K = 263°F
T = 2,900 um-K / 7.6 um = 381°K = 226°F
T = 2,900 um-K / 8.2 um = 353°K = 175°F
T = 2,900 um-K / 9.6 um = 302°K = 83°F

As you can see from the irrefutable scientific data using Wien's Law, Water Vapor is far more powerful than CO2 could ever hope to be and generates far more energy than CO2 ever will.

Finally, her Göbbels-style propaganda video doesn't prove global warming, but it does prove Charles' Law.

Did you guy do this very same experiment in your high school physics class?

We did.

When you heat any gas -- it doesn't matter what it is -- in a confined container -- and Earth is not a confined container, then you cause the all of the gas molecules to move faster.

As the gas molecules move faster, they are colliding with other molecules as well as the walls of the container and as the temperature rises, they collide more frequently and with increasingly higher force.

In a rigid container --plastics and metals are rigid but balloons are not -- these powerful collisions occurring at at more frequent rates results in higher pressure, which increases temperature.

How many of you use canned air to clean your computer or bug spray (for bugs not your computer)?

Notice how every time you spray the can cools?

It cools because you're decreasing pressure. The inverse is also true: it warms up when you increase pressure.

Some other flaws in her fatal "experiment."

She never weighed the containers.

Who on this forum would like to know why a Göbbelist would never wanna weigh the containers?

Let's start small.

Does the mouth of the container have the same surface area as the bottom of the container?

Nope.

The mouth of the container is about 2 cm in diameter and you do the Pir^2 stuff if you want, but the mouth of the container is way, way smaller than the bottom of the container.

Why is that important?

In an open system, pouring a heavier gas onto a lighter gas will displace the lighter gas.

But not in a closed system with a narrow mouth/opening.

There's no place for the lighter gas to go. It is trapped and gets compressed, meaning its volume decreases.

If she told us the quantities of bicarbonate soda and vinegar she used, we could calculate the amount of CO2 created by that reaction.

In a real bona fide experiment, you would pump more air into the first container so that they had the same weights/volumes.

Notice she lied by omission by not mentioning humidity, but then why would she, since she down-played the role of Water Vapor.

That's all the Left's got is trickery and the veneer of science which is pseudo-science masquerading as science.
You've wasted a lot of time on this post.

First earth is not an open system...No natural closed systems exist on Earth but the planet itself can be thought of as an "almost" closed system. Light energy in large amounts enters the Earth's system and some is eventually returned to space as long wave radiation (heat).

The Earth is an open system for energy
It is accepted science that the Earth is an open system for energy. Energy radiates into the Earth’s system, mainly from the sun. Energy is then radiated back into space from the Earth, with the flows being regulated by the Earth’s atmosphere and ozone layer. This delicate balanced transfer of energy maintains the surface temperature at a level that is suited to the forms of life that have evolved and currently exist.

https://course.oeru.org/csf101/learn...closed-system/

I'm not going to waste my time refuting the rest of your post, as most of it is obvious.
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:01 PM
 
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Sacrifice your captured enemies at the Alter of the Sun God, duh.



Rinse, and repeat. Humans are oblivious to the depth of time.

This is all about power and control NOW

Same as it ever was
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:09 PM
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Location: Victoria, BC.
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The heat wave not only killed more than 300 people in BC, it killed much of our inter tidal sea life...It smells of death on some of our beaches now.

Shoreline temperatures above 50 C and low tides led to mass deaths of mussels, clams, sea stars. ... Harley, a marine biologist at the University of British Columbia, now estimates that last week's record-breaking heat wave in B.C. may have killed more than one billion seashore animals living along the Salish Sea coastline
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Austin
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You've wasted a lot of time on this post.

First earth is not an open system...No natural closed systems exist on Earth but the planet itself can be thought of as an "almost" closed system. Light energy in large amounts enters the Earth's system and some is eventually returned to space as long wave radiation (heat).

The Earth is an open system for energy
It is accepted science that the Earth is an open system for energy. Energy radiates into the Earth’s system, mainly from the sun. Energy is then radiated back into space from the Earth, with the flows being regulated by the Earth’s atmosphere and ozone layer. This delicate balanced transfer of energy maintains the surface temperature at a level that is suited to the forms of life that have evolved and currently exist.

https://course.oeru.org/csf101/learn...closed-system/

I'm not going to waste my time refuting the rest of your post, as most of it is obvious.
I'm not saying that the guy you're responding to is right. What I am saying is that you don't have a clue one way or the other. You Googled, found this elementary article and then regurgitated it in your second paragraph word-for-word without quotes ... as if those were your words. They aren't. You aren't going to waste your time refuting any part of this because you've got nothin. Stay in your lane. "Canada is best! Canada is best!" ... there, that's comfy, right?
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:31 PM
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Location: Victoria, BC.
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Originally Posted by Wee-Bey View Post
I'm not saying that the guy you're responding to is right. What I am saying is that you don't have a clue one way or the other. You Googled, found this elementary article and then regurgitated it in your second paragraph word-for-word without quotes ... as if those were your words. They aren't. You aren't going to waste your time refuting any part of this because you've got nothin. Stay in your lane. "Canada is best! Canada is best!" ... there, that's comfy, right?
Just sharing some truth here. I'm not a scientist, but the science is available right at your finger tips, And you are right about Canada...
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Old 07-07-2021, 09:10 AM
 
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I congratulate you for proving what we already knew, which is that you don't understand even basic high school science.

Who can spot the Göbbels-style propaganda and disinformation in this disingenuous video?

First, the bottles are sealed, meaning a closed system. There is no cap around Earth and it is an open system.

So, this Göbbels-style experiment proves nothing.
...

That's all the Left's got is trickery and the veneer of science which is pseudo-science masquerading as science.
Okay, I'll grant you that two enclosed plastic bottles doesn't replicate Earth's atmosphere very well. Fortunately, NASA has the bases covered. They compared the theoretical blackbody radiation at 69.5 deg F vs. the actual measured outgoing radiation at the outer edge of the atmosphere.

See the attached chart. Notice the very large "bite" taken out of the outgoing radiation at around wavenumber 700 (same as 15 microns). That's the footprint of CO2 in the lower atmosphere absorbing the outgoing blackbody radiation.

Greenhouse effect proven, QED.


Climate Change is Killing People: 37% of All Heat-Related Deaths Are Directly Attributable to Manmade Climate Change-blackbody.gif
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Old 07-07-2021, 11:16 AM
 
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Evidence that CO2 is not the principle driver of warming on this planet is provided by the simultaneous warming of other planets and moons in our solar system, ... Mars, Triton, Pluto and Jupiter all show global warming, pointing to the Sun as the cause, Summer is coming to Neptune's southern hemisphere, bringing more sunlight, ...
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Old 07-07-2021, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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The argument made by climate alarmists is quite simple: Every instance of bad weather that ever happens is the direct result of climate change ... but for some reason they're unwilling to explain, humans are vastly less likely to die of weather related issues right now than they were before 1900.
  • If there's a flood, it's climate change.
  • If there's an abnormally hot day, it's climate change.
  • If there's an abnormally cold day, it's climate change.
  • If there's a hurricane or typhoon or cyclone, it's climate change.
  • If there's a tornado, it's climate change.
  • If there's a blizzard, it's climate change.
  • If there's a drought, it's climate change.
  • If there's too much rain/moisture, it's climate change.
  • If there are fires, it's climate change.
  • If there's a wind storm, it's climate change.
  • If there's a hail storm, it's climate change.
  • And never mind that all of these things were already happening with the same frequency and regularity 200 years ago as they are today.
But sure, if you just throw out a number, then people will buy into it. Has anyone taken the time to seriously analyze the claims? If not, why not?
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Old 07-07-2021, 03:43 PM
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Location: Victoria, BC.
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Evidence that CO2 is not the principle driver of warming on this planet is provided by the simultaneous warming of other planets and moons in our solar system, ... Mars, Triton, Pluto and Jupiter all show global warming, pointing to the Sun as the cause, Summer is coming to Neptune's southern hemisphere, bringing more sunlight, ...
Of course our sun is the source of the heat, that is not in dispute.

There have been claims that warming on Mars and Pluto are proof that the recent warming on Earth is caused by an increase in solar activity, and not by greenhouse gases. But we can say with certainty that, even if Mars, Pluto or any other planets have warmed in recent years, it is not due to changes in solar activity.

The Sun’s energy output has not increased since direct measurements began in 1978



Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article...#ixzz6zyFKmF6K
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Old 07-07-2021, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Florida
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If it is climate change because of pollution then why does Communist China get a pass? They are the major polluters in all the world. Doesn't make sense .. they want to send our jobs overseas so they say we are the polluters to control us and
China grows wealthy . I am not buying this propaganda lies. Think deeper folks.
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