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Old 07-11-2021, 12:32 PM
 
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Since when is striving for democracy (including the elimination of the Electoral College) Marxist?
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Old 07-11-2021, 12:42 PM
 
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They want to destroy our identity as a sovereign nation and this nation is unlike any other. We stand for freedom and they want Marxism. The very rich want globalism and they want a global world. WAKE UP PEOPLE! They want to take down every symbol of being an American. Our flag, our anthem, our Constitution, Our balance of power in the senate and Supreme Court. They don't hate America, They want to replace America to a Marxist society.



They want to get rid of the Electoral College, Change voting systems, squash the States Rights, Abolish Freedom, make our sports arenas political, ruin the family unit, do away with God all together, take down our morality . Sexualize children, defame our past presidents as evil and kill patriotism.



They are working day and night to cancel anyone that stands for America. They will use race, division, hate TV, communist professors, teachers unions, big tech, our FBI and CIA, our justice system full of radical thinkers, take complete control of industries, open up our borders in a pandemic, mandate laws against the people, use group think in our Fake News Networks . They have been working to destroy us and all that defines America.



They know how communists used the useful idiots who follow them and fight for them to accomplish their goals. It is under a banner and they know that no matter what they do , the useful idiots will back them no matter how radical they become. This is their brainwashing . Their allegiance to that banner makes their common sense completely useless and void.



Even in Hitlers day, many carried out the most horrid extreme radical atrocities known to man because Hitler, the banner directed them to do so. When all rational thinking is gone , mankind can do and think it is OK , and this has been proven. The banner of group think is all that matters and their allegiance is more important that moral judgement. They are so brainwashed , they can do the most atrocious things and think it is for the greater good. This is why the left wants to destroy all morality, God, right from wrong, truth is destroyed and this is happening today.


They have no values for children. They don't believe in purity, goodness, preserving that which is good and decent. They use hidden messaging in movies, on tv to accept the unacceptable. They wear the masses down to think that the new normal is justified because of their conditioning of acceptance. It is lighten up man, it's not that bad. I think it was funny.


The justification of evil is a tool the left uses daily. One must think about what they accept because Hitler is proof that people can be led down an evil path. We need to see what is happening today and it is a corrupt system in the leftist minds that want to change us. Don't be a useful idiot! Stand with America because America is are only hope of Freedom in this world.

More people need to protest and stand up for their rights. Don't accept CRT being taught in schools. We need more GOP governors to put stops to some of these policies. We need states to donate and help out to get the border closed. Dems aren't and wont' do a damned thing.


We can't just sit and allow all this crap to happen and be OK with it. Once it is here there is no going back. We were warned about this but I never thought it would be this bad.
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Old 07-11-2021, 01:07 PM
 
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Capitalism and socialism were both born and evolved in centuries of economic growth. Most of the world doesn't have resources left for more growth. We can kiss both systems goodbye. Something else will evolve over centuries of economic contraction. Recovery and slower growth is a very long way off in the future.
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Old 07-11-2021, 01:11 PM
 
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Since when is striving for democracy (including the elimination of the Electoral College) Marxist?
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This alienation of the radical opposition from the existing democratic process and institutions suggests a thorough reexamination of democracy (“bourgeois†democracy, representative government) and of their role in the transition from capitalism to socialism or, generally, from an unfree to a free society. By and large, Marxian theory has a positive evaluation of the role of bourgeois democracy in this transition – up to the stage of the revolution itself. By virtue of its commitment (however limited in practice) to civil rights and liberties, bourgeois democracy provides the most favorable ground for the development and organization of dissent.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/a...liberation.htm

Maybe you noticed in there that Theory is favorable of representative democracy. The Marxist don't really like small incremental measures that stop the revolution from occurring. They don't like the idea of a New Deal unless it's somehow ushers in the revolution. I'm sure there are other Marxist who would disagree but in general I'd say that is a fair assessment. Whatever slows, stops or reverses the revolution.

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Unlike traditional civil rights, which embraces incrementalism and step-by-step progress, critical race theory questions the very foundations of the liberal order, including equality theory, legal reasoning, Enlightenment rationalism, and neutral principles of constitutional law.
CRT: An Intro https://uniteyouthdublin.files.wordp...okfi-org-1.pdf

Marxism is a continuum.

Primitive Communal Living > Slave Society > Feudalism > Capitalism > Socialism > (stateless) Communism

Hegel's Dialectic is important to Marxian thought because it looks to use imbalances and contradictions to explain all problematic circumstances.

The dichotomy of Capitalism versus Socialism exaggerates these differences in them most profound way. Capitalism is the operand on which the imbalance lays.

Also, the further out of balance the system is the more likely there will be wars, conflicts, oppression, slavery, death, murder, injustice, etc.

So the dialectic looks to seek out contradictions, bring them to the forefront for exposure, plot them against each other and come up with a solution.

Newton has the whole world figured out until a contradiction in Classic Physics comes up with Mercury's orbit. From this contradiction comes General Relativity. An entirely new paradigm but which still contains the previous thesis of Classical Physics but also explains the universe, except in black holes, exquisitely.

So to a Marxist democracy is a relief valve. it's part of their equation where all differences are bad or will have a tendency to go bad. Democracy, to them, being a precise calculation of how far out of whack things are down to the individual, and the revolution. After the revolution they have no more say, or vote, or freedoms.

The entire purpose of being a living breathing things is to consume and reproduce and to that end there is a will to life and to make a better situation out of that which you currently find yourself in. You can obviously see where the glaring contradiction is in that when you have an ideology seeking out "no differences."

Honestly, historically speaking, if I was an alien invader trying to figure out how to subjugate an entire planet the ideology of Marxism would be absolutely perfect. The silly human being cast off their freedoms and willingly take on salvey for safety. Then you just take over the useful idiotic leader who led them all there.

Anyways...

So looking at the geopolitical situation with China, how would you see that conflict playing out? They've moved away somewhat from their purely communistic ideology to at least accept state-sponsored capitalism. What shall the US do? Marxian theory would say move the US away from its more polarizing position and its adherence to capitalism to relieve "the pressure differential."

Then we all get to suffer through this zero sum game where every answer is binary (except genders, and sex, and math, and...) oppressor/oppressed or racist/anti-racist or proletariat/bourgeois or white/black or male/female or whatever. If it's a traditional position propose the opposite and somewhere in the middle is "the truth." Marriage? Religion? History? All of it is subjected to the entropic destruction. In totalizing systems more totalization is always manufactured.

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In discussing tendencies toward individual totalism within my subjects, I made it clear that these were a matter of degree, and that some potential for this form of all-or-nothing emotional alignment exists within everyone. Similarly, any ideology—that is, any set of emotionally-charged convictions about man and his relationship to the natural or supernatural world—may be carried by its adherents in a totalistic direction. But this is most likely to occur with those ideologies which are most sweeping in their content and most ambitious—or messianic—in their claims, whether religious, political, or scientific. And where totalism exists, a religion, a political movement, or even a scientific organization becomes little more than an exclusive cult.
https://ia902504.us.archive.org/8/it...f_Totalism.pdf

It kinda makes me wonder what a fierce Marxist would say about the Carnot Cycle.

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Old 07-11-2021, 01:14 PM
 
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Right. That is exactly what dems, the MSM media and big tech are doing to conservatives.
You're unable to see the irony in this statement, no?
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Old 07-11-2021, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Since when is striving for democracy (including the elimination of the Electoral College) Marxist?
This is to insure that every state gets a say in who becomes president.
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Old 07-11-2021, 01:36 PM
 
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"The Marxist"?

If there's only one Marxist, I'm not at all worried.
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Old 07-11-2021, 01:36 PM
 
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Please give credit to Mark Levin when using quotes from his book:

https://spectator.org/mark-levin-ame...arxism-review/

Mark says so much and does it better than I can.
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Old 07-11-2021, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Today we must fight back. Cancel culture makes it that much harder. They know this and that is why they removed our Freedom Of Speech in many areas today. Truth is now disinformation, such as Hunter Biden's laptop that showed the corruption of the Bidens of selling out America.
In other words, fight back or get back by the government banning the free speech of the cancel culture? Or the government forcing social media not to ban far right conservatives, such as Alex Jones?
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Old 07-11-2021, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Biden is backing it all. BLM and Antifa, taking down our statues, calling all Trump supporters racists, never downing any of it. Better look closer at what our president is backing.



The teachers unions are threatening anyone who stands in the way of teaching Critical Race Theory. We have a man in the white house that is bringing in 2 million illegals in 10 months time during a pandemic.



Biden gives lip service and his actions say different. He talks about unity and wants to divide the races with CRT. Look deeper.
In other words, Taratova, you quite passionately want the government to ban freedom of some speech as it already has by banning the teaching of CRT in some states.
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