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Old 07-12-2021, 06:53 PM
 
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You are suffering under an illusion.

Socialism is not about freebies. You are fighting a figment of your imagination. It's not your fault, you have been misled.

Social Security is doing something the private enterprise system could do, but they would not make enough money at it. Private enterprise would skim a profit off of Social Security and keep some of those hard earned dollars from the rightful recipients. The system we have today is owned by the people who use it: the American people. We all share the risk and the rewards, it is insurance against destitution in one's sunset years.

It's about sharing and caring, not freebies.

Full disclosure, I am on Social Security and Medicare myself, at my age my benefit is not reduced if I work.

When Social Security was introduced, it was fought tooth and nail by the Republicans, and the Republican Party has had a longstanding goal of dismantling the program. What was the argument the Republicans made against Social Security in the 1930's?

You guessed it: creeping communism.

The same argument they make against national health care today.

It other words this is the old Republican playbook. We have seen it all before.

These are the kinds of programs you are attacking on this thread, you view them as something frightful and dangerous, but that is only because you have been fed these fears for a long time. The truth is we are not headed into the abyss or anything like that, and Marxists are not slowly taking over our country.
It's not about "sharing and caring". Social Security and Medicare are programs are based on theft. Individuals could be better off by investing that money themselves.
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Old 07-12-2021, 07:12 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post
You are suffering under an illusion.

Socialism is not about freebies. You are fighting a figment of your imagination. It's not your fault, you have been misled.

Social Security is doing something the private enterprise system could do, but they would not make enough money at it. Private enterprise would skim a profit off of Social Security and keep some of those hard earned dollars from the rightful recipients. The system we have today is owned by the people who use it: the American people. We all share the risk and the rewards, it is insurance against destitution in one's sunset years.

It's about sharing and caring, not freebies.

Full disclosure, I am on Social Security and Medicare myself, at my age my benefit is not reduced if I work.

When Social Security was introduced, it was fought tooth and nail by the Republicans, and the Republican Party has had a longstanding goal of dismantling the program. What was the argument the Republicans made against Social Security in the 1930's?

You guessed it: creeping communism.

The same argument they make against national health care today.

It other words this is the old Republican playbook. We have seen it all before.

These are the kinds of programs you are attacking on this thread, you view them as something frightful and dangerous, but that is only because you have been fed these fears for a long time. The truth is we are not headed into the abyss or anything like that, and Marxists are not slowly taking over our country.
You're talking about a time during the GD, after the Russian Revolution, during a time when the Nazis were coming to power, and you had people like Huey Long calling for the confiscation of wealth and something like UBI. Father Coughlin was calling for Nationalizing the banks. There were other proposals from Townsend, Bigelow and Sinclaire. Coughlin, Townsend and Long joined together to try and keep Roosevelt from being elected.

https://www.ssa.gov/history/briefhistory3.html

Also, it's not a good faith effort to try and connect Republicans 100 years ago to Republicans today. You've completely abolished the idea of historicity.
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Old 07-12-2021, 07:28 PM
 
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This post is freaking hilarious!

They want to destroy our identity as a sovereign nation and this nation is unlike any other. We stand for freedom and they want Marxism. The very rich want globalism and they want a global world. Hold on....I thought "they" were the Marxists. Now you're saying it's rich capitalists? WAKE UP PEOPLE! They want to take down every symbol of being an American. Our flag, our anthem, our Constitution, I could care less about the flag or the anthem, but keep your grubby hands off the Constitution! Our balance of power in the senate and Supreme Court. They don't hate America, They want to replace America to a Marxist society.



They want to get rid of the Electoral College, Change voting systems, squash the States Rights, Abolish Freedom, make our sports arenas political, ruin the family unit, do away with God all together Now that would be a good trick, God being omnipotent and all...or don't you believe He is? , take down our morality . Sexualize children, defame our past presidents as evil no, really only the last one and kill patriotism.



They are working day and night to cancel anyone that stands for America. They will use race, division, hate TV, communist professors, teachers unions, big tech, our FBI and CIA, our justice system full of radical thinkers you mean those 6 Republican-appointed SC justices, 3 appointed by Trump? Damn, those radicals, how dare they think! take complete control of industries, open up our borders in a pandemic, mandate laws against the people, use group think in our Fake News Networks . They have been working to destroy us and all that defines America.



They know how communists used the useful idiots who follow them and fight for them to accomplish their goals. It is under a banner and they know that no matter what they do , the useful idiots will back them no matter how radical they become. This is their brainwashing . Their allegiance to that banner makes their common sense completely useless and void.



Even in Hitlers day, many carried out the most horrid extreme radical atrocities known to man because Hitler, the banner directed them to do so. When all rational thinking is gone , mankind can do and think it is OK , and this has been proven. The banner of group think is all that matters and their allegiance is more important that moral judgement. They are so brainwashed , they can do the most atrocious things and think it is for the greater good. This is why the left wants to destroy all morality, God, right from wrong, truth is destroyed and this is happening today. Your description of group think fits Trumpers perfectly


They have no values for children except when they make children human sacrifices in their satanic, pedophilic rituals...mwaamwaamwaa They don't believe in purity, goodness, preserving that which is good and decent. You forgot - they hate mothers and apple pie too, the bastards! They use hidden messaging in movies really? Subliminal messages, like when you play the Beatles album backwards and it says "Paul is dead"? Cool..., on tv to accept the unacceptable. They wear the masses down to think that the new normal is justified because of their conditioning of acceptance. It is lighten up man, it's not that bad. I think it was funny.


The justification of evil is a tool the left uses daily. One must think about what they accept because Hitler is proof that people can be led down an evil path. We need to see what is happening today and it is a corrupt system in the leftist minds that want to change us. Don't be a useful idiot! Stand with America because America is are only hope of Freedom in this world.
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Old 07-13-2021, 04:52 AM
 
Location: Full time in the RV
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The OP has used the word “they†19 times by my count in the original post.

Who is “they� The dems? All of them? Just the dems? Anybody else involved? Atheists? Klingons? RINOs? Who is “they�
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Old 07-13-2021, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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The OP has used the word “they†19 times by my count in the original post.

Who is “they� The dems? All of them? Just the dems? Anybody else involved? Atheists? Klingons? RINOs? Who is “they�
They're the same *******s that funded and performed gain of function of the common cold and released it on purpose!!!
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Old 07-13-2021, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post
You are suffering under an illusion.

Socialism is not about freebies. You are fighting a figment of your imagination. It's not your fault, you have been misled.

Social Security is doing something the private enterprise system could do, but they would not make enough money at it. Private enterprise would skim a profit off of Social Security and keep some of those hard earned dollars from the rightful recipients. The system we have today is owned by the people who use it: the American people. We all share the risk and the rewards, it is insurance against destitution in one's sunset years.

It's about sharing and caring, not freebies.

Full disclosure, I am on Social Security and Medicare myself, at my age my benefit is not reduced if I work.

When Social Security was introduced, it was fought tooth and nail by the Republicans, and the Republican Party has had a longstanding goal of dismantling the program. What was the argument the Republicans made against Social Security in the 1930's?

You guessed it: creeping communism.

The same argument they make against national health care today.

It other words this is the old Republican playbook. We have seen it all before.

These are the kinds of programs you are attacking on this thread, you view them as something frightful and dangerous, but that is only because you have been fed these fears for a long time. The truth is we are not headed into the abyss or anything like that, and Marxists are not slowly taking over our country.
So you think Critical Race Theory is equal to Social Security. How does it benefit all of us?
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Old 07-13-2021, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Florida
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This post is freaking hilarious!

They want to destroy our identity as a sovereign nation and this nation is unlike any other. We stand for freedom and they want Marxism. The very rich want globalism and they want a global world. Hold on....I thought "they" were the Marxists. Now you're saying it's rich capitalists? WAKE UP PEOPLE! They want to take down every symbol of being an American. Our flag, our anthem, our Constitution, I could care less about the flag or the anthem, but keep your grubby hands off the Constitution! Our balance of power in the senate and Supreme Court. They don't hate America, They want to replace America to a Marxist society.



They want to get rid of the Electoral College, Change voting systems, squash the States Rights, Abolish Freedom, make our sports arenas political, ruin the family unit, do away with God all together Now that would be a good trick, God being omnipotent and all...or don't you believe He is? , take down our morality . Sexualize children, defame our past presidents as evil no, really only the last one and kill patriotism.



They are working day and night to cancel anyone that stands for America. They will use race, division, hate TV, communist professors, teachers unions, big tech, our FBI and CIA, our justice system full of radical thinkers you mean those 6 Republican-appointed SC justices, 3 appointed by Trump? Damn, those radicals, how dare they think! take complete control of industries, open up our borders in a pandemic, mandate laws against the people, use group think in our Fake News Networks . They have been working to destroy us and all that defines America.



They know how communists used the useful idiots who follow them and fight for them to accomplish their goals. It is under a banner and they know that no matter what they do , the useful idiots will back them no matter how radical they become. This is their brainwashing . Their allegiance to that banner makes their common sense completely useless and void.



Even in Hitlers day, many carried out the most horrid extreme radical atrocities known to man because Hitler, the banner directed them to do so. When all rational thinking is gone , mankind can do and think it is OK , and this has been proven. The banner of group think is all that matters and their allegiance is more important that moral judgement. They are so brainwashed , they can do the most atrocious things and think it is for the greater good. This is why the left wants to destroy all morality, God, right from wrong, truth is destroyed and this is happening today. Your description of group think fits Trumpers perfectly


They have no values for children except when they make children human sacrifices in their satanic, pedophilic rituals...mwaamwaamwaa They don't believe in purity, goodness, preserving that which is good and decent. You forgot - they hate mothers and apple pie too, the bastards! They use hidden messaging in movies really? Subliminal messages, like when you play the Beatles album backwards and it says "Paul is dead"? Cool..., on tv to accept the unacceptable. They wear the masses down to think that the new normal is justified because of their conditioning of acceptance. It is lighten up man, it's not that bad. I think it was funny.


The justification of evil is a tool the left uses daily. One must think about what they accept because Hitler is proof that people can be led down an evil path. We need to see what is happening today and it is a corrupt system in the leftist minds that want to change us. Don't be a useful idiot! Stand with America because America is are only hope of Freedom in this world.
Everyone knows the players. If you don't , you live under a rock. The Media, The Democrat Party, the globalists, the Marxist professors, the radical teachers union leaders, Hollywood nutjobs, the liberal judges, the FBI, the CIA, the Communist Party that has infiltrated in our government and there are many.
Antifa, BLM. China professor let it slip . He admitted to having Communists in high positions in our government.

The journalists that push CRT. Obama and his administration. The Military that wants CRT taught.
Democrats want a one party system to pack the court and the senate. We all understand that they want a totalitarian system.

And many more in the GROUP THINK OF MARXISM.



Many think like a Marxist and support the Cabal of GROUP THINK. They don't even know what they do. The are in lock step because they have been brainwashed by the media.
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Old 07-13-2021, 06:45 AM
 
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It's not about "sharing and caring". Social Security and Medicare are programs are based on theft. Individuals could be better off by investing that money themselves.
Nope.
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Old 07-13-2021, 06:46 AM
 
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Biden wants to add 5 trillion and put that debt on your kids and grand-kids. To put that into perspective:

  • 1 Million Seconds = 12 Days
  • 1 Billion Seconds = 32 Years
  • 1 Trillion Seconds = 32,000 Years
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Old 07-13-2021, 06:55 AM
 
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You're talking about a time during the GD, after the Russian Revolution, during a time when the Nazis were coming to power, and you had people like Huey Long calling for the confiscation of wealth and something like UBI. Father Coughlin was calling for Nationalizing the banks. There were other proposals from Townsend, Bigelow and Sinclaire. Coughlin, Townsend and Long joined together to try and keep Roosevelt from being elected.

https://www.ssa.gov/history/briefhistory3.html

Also, it's not a good faith effort to try and connect Republicans 100 years ago to Republicans today. You've completely abolished the idea of historicity.
The Republican party has not changed!

At it's core it does exactly what the rich donors want it to do, year in and year out. Those wedge issues which may have attracted you (and I, at one time) to the party are window dressing. The party has always been something of a chameleon.

The very rich and international corporations need a mouthpiece, they deserve a mouthpiece. They are entitled to have an organization which represents their best interests, the Republican party is that, and it does the job very well.

The problem for this type of organization is that it is not very popular with the ordinary folks, so they emphasize wedge issues, things that can break up the working classes into factions and steal some of the working people's votes. That is the whole purpose of a wedge issue, to have us fighting one another while the rich and international corporations push forward their own agenda. The wedge issue has been a specialty of the Republican Party for generations. If there isn't one close at hand to exploit, they will invent one.

For anyone who has seen the party act schizophrenic at times ('establishment' Republicans ... 'Tea party' Republicans ... "neo-Cons' ... 'Trumpies' ) this is why. The core of the Republican Party acts one way, the popular voting base another. Candidates have to satisfy both the popular voters and the big donors.
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