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Old 07-18-2021, 03:28 AM
 
Location: Where there is too much snow!
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Yes they can bend the price in the long run usually not by much fracking is what really drove the price down in the last 10-12 years. We will continue to use less oil as more electric and hybrid cars sell.[/quote]

You mention the electric cars. Well those strip mines for lithium leave a huge eye sore as well and they have yet to figure out what to do with them on the recycle level. So no matter how you look at it, we're just as messed up as we've ever been.
But I still and will always trust President Trump more than the babbling idiots that in power now. Socialism has always failed in the past and it will in the future. As well as a one party government, there has to be balance. And sippy cup bunker joe and the rest of the can shove their Wuhon flu EXPERIMENTAL GENE THERAPY vaccination wear the sun doesn't shine. The Democratic are on a major power trip.

 
Old 07-18-2021, 07:22 AM
 
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Maga thinking


4 years of Polling results Trump unpopular = Poll was unreliable

Trump's 10 closed advisors convicted of felonies = Randomly picked jury's are anti Trump

2020 election Trump lost = Massive Rigged election involving a voting machine company with ties to Hugo Chávez, and 100's of county officials from both political parties working together to get Biden into office.
When do you liberals let go of Trump and find something else to hate and spew your anger?

PS I didn't vote for Trump, I voted for my dog
 
Old 07-18-2021, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Joe Biden has hit several highs over 50% kind of shows how unpopular Trump really was. His claims of rigged election only pushes more voters over to the Democrat side.


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...g/?cid=rrpromo
that dumb website had Hillary winning by 85% or better.. I think they gave Trump 7% to win in 2016.. never looked at that website again.. dumb people.. dumb polls.
 
Old 07-18-2021, 07:26 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Of course Biden is popular; he's sending money to everyone. Sit at home and wait on the checks to hit the bank account without lifting a finger.
 
Old 07-18-2021, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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I trade micro crude contracts so I watch this stuff reality is Presidents have little to do with oil prices. Oil companies have lot to do with it what they are doing. Yes they can bend the price in the long run usually not by much fracking is what really drove the price down in the last 10-12 years. We will continue to use less oil as more electric and hybrid cars sell.
Yes, I agree, but Biden being in office some of it is directly his fault. It's a little different this time.

When you basically declare war on fossil fuels and call for EV everything the market reacts. Difference is, Trump would fight to get the gas prices down for all of us. Biden doesn't care.

I just don't even have words.....gas is 50% higher than a year ago which hits people, ESPECIALLY poor people driving old vans and trucks that get 10mpg. There's a tax increase right there for the poor, or might as well be.

The fact that people voted for this crap, Biden, is stunning.
 
Old 07-18-2021, 07:59 AM
 
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Oh great another Soviet push poll!!
 
Old 07-18-2021, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Yes, I agree, but Biden being in office some of it is directly his fault. It's a little different this time.

When you basically declare war on fossil fuels and call for EV everything the market reacts. Difference is, Trump would fight to get the gas prices down for all of us. Biden doesn't care.

I just don't even have words.....gas is 50% higher than a year ago which hits people, ESPECIALLY poor people driving old vans and trucks that get 10mpg. There's a tax increase right there for the poor, or might as well be.

The fact that people voted for this crap, Biden, is stunning.
Biden calling for EV will drive prices down as speculators will be less likely to buy contracts if they think consumption of oil will go down gas will be cheaper.

Oil market last 12 months has been recovering from last year when the market hit 0 from highest over supply in oil in history. If you look at this chart shows the oil drilling rig counts switch to 3 year count drastically fell from over 1000 back in 4/2020 1/4 of we still haven't gotten anywhere near 1000 when it does you see oil prices fall again.

Biden has nothing to do with these US oil rigs in operation or not the oil industry will bring them online when they feel they can turn a profit with them as the price rises more will come online. OPEC has problems competing with fracking rigs because OPEC has to pay their citizens payments to keep them happy. When oil prices fall they can't cut supply they have to increase it now it takes 2 barrels to pay the same money. I'm mostly referring to Saudi Arabia.

https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_rotary_rigs

Trump trying to boost oil consumption would actually cause prices to rise if you believe Presidents have an influence on oil prices. I don't believe they have much influence.
 
Old 07-18-2021, 09:00 AM
 
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Joe Biden has hit several highs over 50% kind of shows how unpopular Trump really was. His claims of rigged election only pushes more voters over to the Democrat side.


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...g/?cid=rrpromo
Do you understand that every Democrat president will have the highest approval ratings ever?

It's the media. Its an echo chamber.
 
Old 07-18-2021, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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The polling firms have utterly failed for the last two general election cycles. Whether that's due to bias or something else is up for debate, the the objective fact is that the only thing we can assume about any single poll, right now, is that it's wrong.

Aggregates are the only thing which matter, and even those aren't right. They're just closer.

People see a poll which agrees with what they want to believe and they latch onto it. Spread it around, as though it proves that they're right. But that's all it is - someone wanting to show that they're right. Whether or not they are doesn't matter, because they have a poll which purportedly proves it.

We're in an age where people are being bombarded with volumes of information which are unprecedented in the entirety of human history, by orders of magnitude. Processing that much information isn't natural for us, so we take shortcuts. We listen to what others say about it, then adopt those conclusions as our own. Everybody does it, and the people disseminating information understand that. They'll use that fact to manipulate what people think and believe.

It takes a LOT of work to be properly informed right now, and nobody can break through all of the crap we're being fed. It seems that very few are actually trying, though, which means that the people deciding what information is true or false for those who take these shortcuts have unbelievable control over the movement of society.

Think about the people & entities which you consider authoritative. Do they speak with a single voice? Do you ever find yourself challenging any of their conclusions? Have they earned the authority you give them? If so, how? If not, why are you giving it to them?

Polling firms, "news" outlets, politicians, scientists, celebrities... they all know the power they wield over how people perceive and feel about a thing, because of the authority they carry, whether it's earned or not. They know they have it, and they use it.
 
Old 07-18-2021, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Biden calling for EV will drive prices down as speculators will be less likely to buy contracts if they think consumption of oil will go down gas will be cheaper.

Oil market last 12 months has been recovering from last year when the market hit 0 from highest over supply in oil in history. If you look at this chart shows the oil drilling rig counts switch to 3 year count drastically fell from over 1000 back in 4/2020 1/4 of we still haven't gotten anywhere near 1000 when it does you see oil prices fall again.

Biden has nothing to do with these US oil rigs in operation or not the oil industry will bring them online when they feel they can turn a profit with them as the price rises more will come online. OPEC has problems competing with fracking rigs because OPEC has to pay their citizens payments to keep them happy. When oil prices fall they can't cut supply they have to increase it now it takes 2 barrels to pay the same money. I'm mostly referring to Saudi Arabia.

https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_rotary_rigs

Trump trying to boost oil consumption would actually cause prices to rise if you believe Presidents have an influence on oil prices. I don't believe they have much influence.
So, you're saying that gas being 50% higher has absolutely zero, nothing to do with Biden or his policies? If he didn't shut down the pipeline and unofficially declare war on fossil fuels we'd still have $3 gallons of gas right now? It was $3.00 even for regular yesterday, and we are below the national average.

I never said it's all his fault because it's not. But nevertheless team blue controls everything right now and everything right now is more expensive. All this phony crap about "50%" approvals, sorry...not buying it. These higher COL prices are hurting lower income people and/or people who are struggling.
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