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Old 12-05-2021, 06:13 PM
 
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So if middle class women have an abortion they must be card carrying democrats, where do you come up with this absolute nonsense. .
I am saying statistically a large percentage of suburban women will vote for the GOP. Economic and tax issues matter most. (Do you need Va governor votes stats to be copied again?)

Those most fearful of a "never has happened" can't get an abortion anywhere policy are left-wingers anyway. That was not even the case pre Roe, btw.

Take a great look at the 2021 Va election data, for further guidance. No matter how SC rules, this will remain a fringe issue, with the evangelicals and the pro choice folks offsetting each other.

That increases the importance of the meat and potatos issues, as shown in Va govs race, at top of list of voters: (1) economy, (2) taxes, (3) education of children.

For liberals, there is no silver lining on this case. For conservs, just watching a SC restrain its power, and seeming on their way to properly recognizing states' rights on this issue, is precisely what many of us voted for.

 
Old 12-05-2021, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Then why would the GOP be dumb enough to give ammo like this that will motivate so many people to vote against the GOP?
To make their base and donors happy -- the Christian Right. Then they can move their agenda to focus on banning homosexual rights, including legal same sex marriage.

Republicans would be wise not to enforce their abortion bans to keep abortion cases out of the news that may be highly controversial, such as charging a woman with murder for getting an abortion but she has several kids at home, yet Republican prosecutors want to send her to prison and possibly her children would need foster homes. How sad and traumatic for them. Don't see how doing that does society any good.
 
Old 12-05-2021, 06:18 PM
 
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Then why would the GOP be dumb enough to give ammo like this that will motivate so many people to vote against the GOP?
It is not a decision made by pols at all. A court case came up worthy of SC review. SC accepted it properly, will issue ruling mid 2022. They know the votes now, btw, as they met Friday to parcel out who writes opinions.
 
Old 12-05-2021, 06:20 PM
 
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At a certain income, you really don't have to focus on taxes and the economy.

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That view is the reverse of reality. The higher the income, the more one thinks about these things.
 
Old 12-05-2021, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I am saying statistically a large percentage of suburban women will vote for the GOP. Economic and tax issues matter most. (Do you need Va governor votes stats to be copied again?)

Those most fearful of a "never has happened" can't get an abortion anywhere policy are left-wingers anyway. That was not even the case pre Roe, btw.

Take a great look at the 2021 Va election data, for further guidance. No matter how SC rules, this will remain a fringe issue, with the evangelicals and the pro choice folks offsetting each other.

That increases the importance of the meat and potatos issues, as shown in Va govs race, at top of list of voters: (1) economy, (2) taxes, (3) education of children.

For liberals, there is no silver lining on this case. For conservs, just watching a SC restrain its power, and seeming on their way to properly recognizing states' rights on this issue, is precisely what many of us voted for.
I wasn't speaking to specific state, the poll for abortion nationwide indicate a majority are prolife. The issue that swung the election in Virginia was CRT and the comments by the governor on parents and school boards. If you think that removing RvW is a winner you are mistaken.

Republican women get abortions just like democratic women, it's not a partisan issue unless they remove the right.
 
Old 12-05-2021, 06:36 PM
 
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That view is the reverse of reality. The higher the income, the more one thinks about these things.
No one likes to pay taxes.

And, yes the higher the income, the more you will think about existing taxes to ensure you are paying the least possible.

But, at the end of the day, it is what it is and most likely the fact that you are paying more is because you earned more. Hardly the worst problem to have.

High income people are not losing sleep over paying taxes no matter how much time they spend thinking about them during the day.
 
Old 12-05-2021, 06:40 PM
 
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I wasn't speaking to specific state, the poll for abortion nationwide indicate a majority are prolife. The issue that swung the election in Virginia was CRT and the comments by the governor on parents and school boards. If you think that removing RvW is a winner you are mistaken.

Republican women get abortions just like democratic women, it's not a partisan issue unless they remove the right.
This exactly. More precisely it was Republicans inventing a bogeyman out of CRT and misrepresenting both CRT and education. They took advantage of the fact that most people dont have a clue what CRT is, so they were mostly arguing with themselves and people fell for it.

The voters will get smarter as they continue to peddle this nonsense. The racism underlying their lies will also become more apparent to voters. It is not a winning strategy imo.
 
Old 12-05-2021, 06:42 PM
 
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It is not a decision made by pols at all. A court case came up worthy of SC review. SC accepted it properly, will issue ruling mid 2022. They know the votes now, btw, as they met Friday to parcel out who writes opinions.
Bless your heart if you think politicians were not behind this case lol.
 
Old 12-05-2021, 06:43 PM
 
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No one likes to pay taxes.

And, yes the higher the income, the more you will think about existing taxes to ensure you are paying the least possible.

But, at the end of the day, it is what it is and most likely the fact that you are paying more is because you earned more. Hardly the worst problem to have.

High income people are not losing sleep over paying taxes no matter how much time they spend thinking about them during the day.
High income people though pay attention to which pols will minimize their tax rates, vs who will raise their taxes.
 
Old 12-05-2021, 06:44 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I wasn't speaking to specific state, the poll for abortion nationwide indicate a majority are prolife. The issue that swung the election in Virginia was CRT and the comments by the governor on parents and school boards. If you think that removing RvW is a winner you are mistaken.

Republican women get abortions just like democratic women, it's not a partisan issue unless they remove the right.
Any voter with a decent IQ knows darn well when Trump appointed those three conservative justices that Roe v Wade is in danger of being overturned. Didn’t upset those voters enough to vote against the GOP in the Virginia election. Same can be said in other local elections that the GOP did well in.

There are pro-life and pro-choice in both parties. Then you break down age demographics, religious beliefs, etc. you realize the voting base that will switch party votes on abortion alone is insignificant.
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