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Old 07-23-2021, 04:01 PM
 
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Darwin at it's finest. The right are literally killing themselves for some kind of imaginary "Freedom". Fantastic for the democrats, on the political level, terrible for the unbiased business owners just trying to keep their doors open in fear of more lockdowns because of these dipsh*ts.
Except they aren't, at least here in MI. Much of northern MI, which is Trump country is vaccinated, Detroit and Flint for example have the lowest percentage of vaccinated out of the whole state. I bet, MI isn't the only state like that. You might hate those that vote different than you, for whatever reasons, but i don't think vaccinations are one of them.
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Old 07-23-2021, 04:01 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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I would think people who have health issues which makes it not possible to get the vaccine would want everyone else vaccinated. Having 40% of the public, most of whom do not have medical conditions running around spreading Delta should be something they do not like.

And just to be clear. I have no issues with people with legit medical conditions not getting the vaccine. Of course. They should not be lumped with the anti vaxx crowd. Who I do have a problem with.
My body, my choice
Your body, your choice
Their body, their choice

I try to be consistent in my beliefs, even when it creates a problem for me.
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Old 07-23-2021, 04:11 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Except they aren't, at least here in MI. Much of northern MI, which is Trump country is vaccinated, Detroit and Flint for example have the lowest percentage of vaccinated out of the whole state. I bet, MI isn't the only state like that. You might hate those that vote different than you, for whatever reasons, but i don't think vaccinations are one of them.
Only 39% in Detroit got their first shot.

Who would have thought Detroit was full of right wing anti-vaxxer White Republican supremacists ....



https://www.clickondetroit.com/healt...rest-of-state/
As of Thursday, 39.5% of Detroit residents have received at least one dose. That’s compared to the 62.9% statewide rate.
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The least likely to be vaccinated were still in communities of color and those under 40.
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Old 07-23-2021, 04:13 PM
 
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Only 39% in Detroit got their first shot.

Who would have thought Detroit was full of right wing anti-vaxxer White Republican supremacists ....



https://www.clickondetroit.com/healt...rest-of-state/
As of Thursday, 39.5% of Detroit residents have received at least one dose. That’s compared to the 62.9% statewide rate.
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The least likely to be vaccinated were still in communities of color and those under 40.
Exactly, people just want to hate anyone they think is right leaning and will find any excuse to do so. Its a sorry state that our country is in right now.
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Old 07-23-2021, 04:15 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Just more bigoted nonsense from the state of Alabama. Only this time it is medical bigotry instead of racist bigotry.

From the OP link, my italics: “I want folks to get vaccinated. That’s the cure. That prevents everything,” Ivey, a Republican, told reporters in Birmingham, Ala., on Thursday. [
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Hasn't she heard that those who are vaccinated can ALSO spread COVID? Or that they can get COVID? And that, in very rare cases, they can even die? Evidently not. Maybe it is time for her to retire to an old folks home!

And since when are unvaccinated folks not regular folks? I would guess that would mean, in her opinion, anyone who does not fit with her beliefs.
The Governor is simply urging citizens in Alabama to get vaccinated so that they don't get deathly ill or make others deathly ill from COVID-19. She is making a compassionate plea, and I don't agree that she needs to go into an "old folks home" as you say.

People who have been vaccinated do rarely get breakthrough infections, but they are far less likely to be severe, and far less likely to spread due to the vaccine's reduction in the viral load that is transmissible:

https://news.arizona.edu/story/covid...l-get-infected
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Old 07-23-2021, 04:21 PM
 
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Their body, their choice
I am highlighting this response as an example of what NOT addressing the issue looks like.

The issue is not: Their body, their choice

The issue is: Their body, their choice, our problem

The question is whether those who make personal decisions, against medical and public health recommendation, that lead to a heavy societal burden deserve blame.

The answer is YES, for Governor Ivey and many others.
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Old 07-23-2021, 04:34 PM
 
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I am highlighting this response as an example of what NOT addressing the issue looks like.

The issue is not: Their body, their choice

The issue is: Their body, their choice, our problem

The question is whether those who make personal decisions, against medical and public health recommendation, that lead to a heavy societal burden deserve blame.

The answer is YES, for Governor Ivey and many others.
I don't really care if that is Governor Ivey's answer. I'm more concerned about how her solution of blaming is solving the problem. The answer is IT ISN'T.

Not being vaccinated in no way has to lead to a societal problem either (that is a misnomer). For those that believe in "the science", those that are unvaccinated can certainly continue to follow the same protocols that were already in place. In addition, those that are vaccinated, instead of being defiant and play this childish blame game, can also mask up to prevent immunocompromised people and children from being infected. Will they? Doubtful (and I personally know a few that dgaf and clearly aren't interested in being selfless for others, despite the fact that millions did that for them over the last year).
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Old 07-23-2021, 04:40 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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I am highlighting this response as an example of what NOT addressing the issue looks like.

The issue is not: Their body, their choice

The issue is: Their body, their choice, our problem

The question is whether those who make personal decisions, against medical and public health recommendation, that lead to a heavy societal burden deserve blame.

The answer is YES, for Governor Ivey and many others.
Exactly. The statement you are responding to doesn't really work when the circumstances and facts at hand don't support it.

Saying "my body, my choice" works fine for getting an ugly nose ring, tattoos, and dying one's hair pink, but it doesn't work for not being vaccinated against communicable diseases that will be spread to others and create other related fallout (economic, social, etc.).

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Old 07-23-2021, 04:40 PM
 
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I don't really care if that is Governor Ivey's answer. I'm more concerned about how her solution of blaming is solving the problem. The answer is IT ISN'T.

Not being vaccinated in no way has to lead to a societal problem either (that is a misnomer). For those that believe in "the science", those that are unvaccinated can certainly continue to follow the same protocols that were already in place. In addition, those that are vaccinated, instead of being defiant and play this childish blame game, can also mask up to prevent immunocompromised people and children from being infected. Will they? Doubtful (and I personally know a few that dgaf and clearly aren't interested in being selfless for others, despite the fact that millions did that for them over the last year).
Finding ways to increase vaccination rates and blaming the willfully unvaccinated - those without medical contraindications to vaccine who reject their providers’ and public health recommendations - are not mutually exclusive propositions at all.
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Old 07-23-2021, 04:43 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Finding ways to increase vaccination rates and blaming the willfully unvaccinated - those without medical contraindications to vaccine who reject their providers’ and public health recommendations - are not mutually exclusive propositions at all.
Pointing the finger at the unvaccinated, who can't be identified, doesn't solve anything.

No different than Biden going on TV blaming Facebook for killing people.

The shaming, the guilt trips, the blaming...won't change peoples' minds.
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