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Considering how fat and bad with money the average American is I'd say this isn't true
LOL. Right wingers aren't real big on "science" that doesn't suit their fancy. Generally if something doesn't affect them personally right at that moment then they are skeptical.
The typical right wing COVID denier isn't affected by COVID and has a completely different perspective on COVID than the health care worker who is getting hammered by COVID patients inundating their work place.
Thus we get comments like "the average American knows what's best for themselves"...
because we label people as experts that are just talking heads spewing their opinions. Those opinions become other people's facts. Cable TV is full of it.
No sorry. Right up through July we were told that vaccination would stamp out the virus. People were told they were doing their part by getting it... implying it would stop the spread.
Didn't happen.
There was science available to get the right call on masks, available to get the right call on surfaces... they were ignored (or never checked).
The medical people do what they want, and when wrong, face no consequences due to apologizers like you.
We will never have a good medical system until mistakes are held accountable.
Don't mistake your simplistic interpretation of science as what was actually communicated by a scientist.
That is another thing... everything has to have a link. You can find a link for any proposition you want. The key is having the common sense to know what is bull.
If it's so easy then find a link...but the catch is that it be a reputable primary source.
Oh, for God’s sake. Have you not watched the news, surfed the Internet, or even read any of the various links people have posted here for the past 18 months to 2 years? If you can’t find “proof” of some scientist declaring something about the virus as fact that we now know was not true you are just choosing to be obtuse.
Don't need to go beyond this post as "obtuse" best describes the cult like behavior of people that treat Fauci and the CDC as gods. Honestly, it's hard to deal with people fervently arguing in their favor and calling others ignorant for not following "their" science.
A month ago, we were told by the health experts that Dallas county in Texas had reached herd immunity through a combination of vaccination and natural immunity. Now, Dallas county has a county wide mask mandate with the county judge threatening lockdowns may soon come.
This is but one example of many where the experts have been grossly wrong. A year ago, we were told by scientists that the virus lived on surfaces for long periods of time. People were scared to open doors. My company installed foot openers at the doors so people could use their feet instead of hands to open doors. Lysol was impossible to come by and everyone was washing every surface before touching it. It was crazy. Only to find out that the scientists said that wasnt necessary after all.
My office had strict masking rules, strict social distancing requirements, supervised temperature checks before entry, and a monthly pledge we all had to sign where we had to promise to call in sick if we had any of the covid symptoms. This was all at the recommendation of the company epidemiologists and the CDC. Yet the virus spread right through the office. None of those measures that the experts recommended seemed to work at all.
Yet we are told we need to trust the science. We need to trust the experts. But they have been wrong more than they have been right. If anyone else was as wrong as much as they have been then nobody would trust them. If politicians were this wrong, they would be labeled a flip flopper or incompetent and voted out of office. If I were this wrong at work, I would quickly be fired.
You can say things change. Except that doesnt explain why they confidently touted the previous claim as being a fact. If you dont know, the best thing to do isnt to BS and proclaim it as fact. The best thing is to admit that you dont know but will have an answer once enough information is available. Then liberals wonder why there is such distrust of the vaccines?
A perfect example is this time last year Trump was mocked and fact checked for claiming the vaccines would be ready by the end of the year. Scientists said it would be at least 2 years and possibly as high as ten years. At the same time, the China lab theory was labeled racist, xenophobic and pushing it would have you fact checked or cancelled by social media.
On top of all that, the scientists themselves have been shocking in their behavior and advice. Dr Fauci claimed this time last year that social distancing and lockdowns were necessary to stop the spread while at the same time encouraging people to meet random strangers off the internet for sex. Neil Ferguson in Britain famously championed lockdowns only to be caught breaking his own lockdown measures while sick with covid. It makes you wonder if he really believes what he is pushing. Obviously not concerned about his own risk.
It all begs the question of how does science and scientists keep bungling this? Why do we still trust them after being wrong so much? Amazing that so many would be so willing to give up so much for the rest of their lives on such a poor record. If your financial planner was wrong on so many investments he suggested, you would get rid of him and never listen to him again. Maybe we should start doing the same with the experts who chronically get it wrong.
Same reason why American can't seem to win wars anymore. Comes down to $$$$$, power and the politicians. These plagues are the new way for the super rich and their puppets to get money and power over the people, much like how them interfering with military strategies have cost the country countless lives and money. They can't make money if the war is won within a month.
Sure, but individual scientists can be conservative in nature and tend to lean on established knowledge. Science is a constantly evolving body of knowledge, and some people are better at adapting to the changes than others.
Which ones are better? Why are only some 'experts' listened to, and not others?
If they were on the up and up, instead of silencing so many doctors, with years of experience, their own personal resumes that look just as good, if not better, than some of the know it alls, then they would be in contact with those numerous doctors who are saying, 'Actually....'
But, that doesn't happen.
We are bombarded by, as one other poster said, 'This is the way', and I'll add on to that, 'And the ONLY way!' which is clearly showing to be completely, 100% false.
There are reasons that papers are peer reviewed. A scientist has a theory, writes a paper about it, and allows others to go through it and show where they are right, and where they could be wrong.
But with this? Suddenly, it's only 'this is the only answer because I'm the expert'.
Absolute nonsense. That is NOT how science works AT ALL!
Which ones are better? Why are only some 'experts' listened to, and not others?
If they were on the up and up, instead of silencing so many doctors, with years of experience, their own personal resumes that look just as good, if not better, than some of the know it alls, then they would be in contact with those numerous doctors who are saying, 'Actually....'
But, that doesn't happen.
We are bombarded by, as one other poster said, 'This is the way', and I'll add on to that, 'And the ONLY way!' which is clearly showing to be completely, 100% false.
There are reasons that papers are peer reviewed. A scientist has a theory, writes a paper about it, and allows others to go through it and show where they are right, and where they could be wrong.
But with this? Suddenly, it's only 'this is the only answer because I'm the expert'.
Absolute nonsense. That is NOT how science works AT ALL!
By and large I agree and correct.
The problem has been that during the Pandemic the right as tended towards believing the unvetted and not peer reviewed politically based anecdotal YouTuber, vs the left with the conventional vetted and peer reviewed data and published studies.
Oh, for God’s sake. Have you not watched the news, surfed the Internet, or even read any of the various links people have posted here for the past 18 months to 2 years? If you can’t find “proof” of some scientist declaring something about the virus as fact that we now know was not true you are just choosing to be obtuse.
There is the root of the problem. Fauci is an immunologist with fifty years experience. Rand Paul is an ophthalmologist. Both are scientists. Rand would in this instance come under the heading of "some scientist", not anyone to be taken seriously about the specifics of covid and its treatment and prevention.
Listening to Paul on the subject of covid and vaccinations is like going to an ENT for a gastric disorder. It is way outside that particular specialty. While the ENT may have limited knowledge of specific intestinal ailments, a doctor of internal medicine would be far more likely to produce satisfactory results.
America is a wonderful place. You have the right to believe whatever twaddle you wish, and treat yourself if you so desire. I know how the smart money bets.
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