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View Poll Results: Do you think Milley and Pelosi's actions are treason?
Yes- I'm a democrat 6 4.62%
No- I'm a democrat 5 3.85%
Yes- I am a republican or independent 95 73.08%
No- I am a republican or independent 24 18.46%
Voters: 130. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-14-2021, 08:36 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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U.S. Constitution, Article 3, Sec. 3:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

Let's see...
Milley promised the Chinese generals that, if the U.S was going to attack China, he (Milley) would call them first and inform them of the coming attack.

If we're attacking China, then they're definitely our enemy. And if he then warns them of coming attacks, he's certainly giving our enemy aid, if not comfort.

Anybody want to explain how such an act by Milley, would NOT be treason against the United States?

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Old 09-14-2021, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Have you ever seen the movie "The Dead Zone" popular when Trump became unhinged in 2020.

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Old 09-14-2021, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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^^^^This is really chilling

So, you want those who commit treason to be given medals?

How, in your fevered imagination would have Trump caused WWIII? The same Trump who didn't start any new wars when he was in office.

TDS is really bad in many

I didn't find it chilling. I lmao and thought, 'Good doggie, Spot! Good little obedient pet.'

Someone must have smacked these people on the snout with a rolled up newspaper.
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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The amount of Americans that support a peaceful dissolution of the country has been on the rise.

If Milley is allowed to get away with this without any consequence, don't expect those numbers to reverse.

Our country is dysfunctional.

It's being hijacked and half the country is too stupid to even see it.
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:42 PM
 
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The amount of Americans that support a peaceful dissolution of the country has been on the rise.

If Milley is allowed to get away with this, don't expect those numbers to reverse.

Our country is dysfunctional.
It wasn’t but you can think ideas like this:

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Wherein does the movement of pure reason consist? In posing itself, opposing itself, composing itself; in formulating itself as thesis, antithesis, synthesis; or, yet, in affirming itself, negating itself, and negating its negation.

How does reason manage to affirm itself, to pose itself in a definite category? That is the business of reason itself and of its apologists.

But once it has managed to pose itself as a thesis, this thesis, this thought, opposed to itself, splits up into two contradictory thoughts – the positive and the negative, the yes and no. The struggle between these two antagonistic elements comprised in the antithesis constitutes the dialectical movement. The yes becoming no, the no becoming yes, the yes becoming both yes and no, the no becoming both no and yes, the contraries balance, neutralize, paralyze each other. The fusion of these two contradictory thoughts constitutes a new thought, which is the synthesis of them. This thought splits up once again into two contradictory thoughts, which in turn fuse into a new synthesis. Of this travail is born a group of thoughts. This group of thoughts follows the same dialectic movement as the simple category, and has a contradictory group as antithesis. Of these two groups of thoughts is born a new group of thoughts, which is the antithesis of them.

Just as from the dialectic movement of the simple categories is born the group, so from the dialectic movement of the groups is born the series, and from the dialectic movement of the series is born the entire system.
Karl Marx
The Poverty of Philosophy
Chapter Two: The Metaphysics of Political Economy
The Method

https://www.marxists.org/archive/mar...sophy/ch02.htm

So “do the opposite” turned into “deep thought” and an actual political strategy. But since they’re Marxist their strategy is all for the same cause, the revolution. Even to the point of opposing half measures that prolong the capitalist system and keep it from dying. If it could be accelerated by using the dialectic then that would be even mo betta.

Marxism and Mao’s form of it being institutionalized is the closest thing to people putting the chains of slavery back on themselves and singing Kum ba yah. The entire time The People are shackling themselves into a hellish nightmare where individual thought and free expression is utterly destroyed, they’re in a state of awe and amazement as they have a totalizing belief system with answers for everything.

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1.1.5 Global totalitarianism
During the twentieth century, citizens of several na- tions lived for a time under extremely brutal and op- pressive regimes.47 Between them, these states killed more than one hundred million people, and sought total control over their citizens. Previous totalitari- an states have not been particularly durable chiefly due to the problem of ensuring orderly transition between leaders, and to external competition from other more liberal and successful states. However, there is a non-negligible chance that the world will come to be dominated by one or a handful of totali- tarian states. If this were to happen, external compe tition would no longer threaten the durability of such states to the same extent.
Moreover, improvements in certain forms of tech- nology may make it easier for totalitarian states to maintain control, for example by making surveillance much easier. Global totalitarianism could exacerbate other existential risks by reducing the quality of governance. In addition, a long future under a particu- larly brutal global totalitarian state could arguably be worse than complete extinction.
https://www.fhi.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/...2017-01-23.pdf

We can’t say we haven’t been warned.

Imagine instead of “citizen informers” you are surrounded by an plethora of IoTs sensors and an actual complete and totalizing control over thoughts and what you’re allowed to do and say… That is after all what Marcuse wrote about:

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Withdrawal of tolerance from regressive movements before they can become active; intolerance even toward thought, opinion, and word, and finally, intolerance in the opposite direction, that is, toward the self-styled conservatives, to the political Right--these anti-democratic notions respond to the actual development of the democratic society which has destroyed the basis for universal tolerance. The conditions under which tolerance can again become a liberating and humanizing force have still to be created. When tolerance mainly serves the protection and preservation of a repressive society, when it serves to neutralize opposition and to render men immune against other and better forms of life, then tolerance has been perverted. And when this perversion starts in the mind of the individual, in his consciousness, his needs, when heteronomous interests occupy him before he can experience his servitude, then the efforts to counteract his dehumanization must begin at the place of entrance, there where the false consciousness takes form (or rather: is systematically formed)--it must begin with stopping the words and images which feed this consciousness. To be sure, this is censorship, even precensorship…
Repressive Tolerance (full text)
from: Robert Paul Wolff, Barrington Moore, Jr., and Herbert Marcuse,
A Critique of Pure Tolerance (Boston: Beacon Press, 1969), pp. 95-137

https://www.marcuse.org/herbert/publ...-fulltext.html

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Old 09-14-2021, 08:42 PM
 
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Mark Milley is the biggest Blue Falcon ever!

(if you know, you know)
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:43 PM
 
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It's being hijacked and half the country is too stupid to even see it.
It's even worse than that. The half of the country that DOES see that the country is being hijacked is being vilified, silenced, and censored by the half too stupid to see it. IOW, they're not only blind to the damage being done to this country, they are enabling it.
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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It's even worse than that. The half of the country that DOES see that the country is being hijacked is being vilified, silenced, and censored by the half too stupid to see it. IOW, they're not only blind to the damage being done to this country, they are enabling it.
Good point. They must want it hijacked.

I'm a parent. I can't in good conscience support anything the left is doing when I think of generations to come.
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:48 PM
 
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U.S. Constitution, Article 3, Sec. 3:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

Let's see...
Milley promised the Chinese generals that, if the U.S was going to attack China, he (Milley) would call them first and inform them of the coming attack.

If we're attacking China, then they're definitely our enemy. And if he then warns them of coming attacks, he's certainly giving our enemy aid, if not comfort.

Anybody want to explain how such an act by Milley, would NOT be treason against the United States?
Is China an enemy to many of those in government?

Who declares a country as an enemy?

Not disagreeing here... but just asking the tough question...
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:52 PM
 
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It's even worse than that. The half of the country that DOES see that the country is being hijacked is being vilified, silenced, and censored by the half too stupid to see it. IOW, they're not only blind to the damage being done to this country, they are enabling it.
And that’s being generous. I suspect at least half of that half is completely aware of what they’re doing and fully support it, even if they pretend like they don’t know what you’re talking about if you bring up something that’s embarrassing to the Democrats.
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