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"Effectiveness against hospitalisation of over 90% is also observed with the Delta variant with all 3 vaccines"
"High levels of protection (over 90%) are also seen against mortality with all 3 vaccines and against both the Alpha and Delta variants"
"With the delta variant, vaccine effectiveness against infection has been estimated at around 65% with Vaxzevria and 80% with Comirnaty"
"contacts of vaccinated index cases had around 65-80% reduced odds of testing positive with the Alpha variant and 35-65% reduced odds of testing positive with the Delta variant compare to contacts of unvaccinated index cases"
So the vaccine reduces hospitalization and death by 10X and cuts infection and transmission.
Their calculations for how it cut transmission is suspect. I saw those tables, but without explanation of methodology, (in fact they say it's based on studies, I wanna see those studies) it's not that interesting.
What interesting are the rates I posted, do you have anything to add to those?
Their calculations for how it cut transmission is suspect. I saw those tables, but without explanation of methodology, (in fact they say it's based on studies, I wanna see those studies) it's not that interesting.
What interesting are the rates I posted, do you have anything to add to those?
The authors of the report know the data in far more detail than anyone and they conclude that the vaccine is highly effective. Cherry picking one data table and claiming that that is good data and everything else is suspect is ridiculous.
Also, Table 2 has the following note "Interpretation of the case rates in vaccinated and unvaccinated population is particularly susceptible to changes in denominators and should be interpreted with extra caution."
The data only covers a 3-week period so it’s highly susceptible to testing rates etc.
Not as high as neighboring countries, particularly for kids.
“Coronavirus infections among schoolchildren in the U.K. have pushed daily caseloads to stubbornly high levels, a setback that underscores how Britain now trails many of its European neighbors on vaccination after staking out an early lead.
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With winter approaching, the government is racing to extend vaccination to school-age children and get booster shots to vulnerable adults to reduce the risk the virus spills over into older age groups and causes another wave of sickness and death“
"Effectiveness against hospitalisation of over 90% is also observed with the Delta variant with all 3 vaccines"
"High levels of protection (over 90%) are also seen against mortality with all 3 vaccines and against both the Alpha and Delta variants"
"With the delta variant, vaccine effectiveness against infection has been estimated at around 65% with Vaxzevria and 80% with Comirnaty"
"contacts of vaccinated index cases had around 65-80% reduced odds of testing positive with the Alpha variant and 35-65% reduced odds of testing positive with the Delta variant compare to contacts of unvaccinated index cases"
So the vaccine reduces hospitalization and death by 10X and cuts infection and transmission.
The vaxx weakens natural antibodies after a short time and the immune system goes haywire attacking what it thinks are invading cells. So the vaxxed get sick more easily and get Covid again while the unvaxxed remain healthy.
Interpretation of the data is where it gets really political. I say that as someone with experience analyzing big data. It's easy to filter out unfavorable data and exclude it from reports. What do decsion makers want to see? What's going to make the higher-ups happy? All of that is a factor in the reports.
The raw data itself can be corrupted, and the methods used to collect it often lack consistency.
And what is the definition of vaccine effectiveness? For example, are those with natural immunity that are also vaccinated being used to to boost the "vaccine effectiveness" numbers. It's really easy to draw conclusions that are inaccurate.
So you think that all these counties in the world, including the UK, that are advocating vaccination are deliberately manipulating the data so that they can kill or injure as many of their citizens as possible.
This is why having any reasoned debate with antivaxxers is impossible.
Last edited by YevTK; 10-11-2021 at 10:12 AM..
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