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Have any actual FACTS supporting that otherwise baseless allegation?
Thanks for asking. I'm always happy to repeat the facts, regardless of how many blinders-on persons such as yourself keep pretending they haven't seen them. I appreciate the opportunity to remind you (and everyone else in this thread).
You Democrats mewling "there was no cheating, no evidence of illegal behavior".... oh, really? How many examples would you like?
There are literally thousand of examples. Sworn testimony from eyewitnesses, affidavits sworn under penalty of perjury, videos, etc. etc.
This post could be hundreds of pages long. Here are just a few examples. You Democrats, how many such examples would it take to convince you? (A rhetorical questions, they would NEVER be convinced).
As usual, liberals have claimed a "hand recount" of paper ballots (which were printed out after voting by the same voting machines under investigation, not by the voters) somehow cleared the Dominion voting machines.
* Does that mean that it is no longer true that records and logs are missing?
* Does it mean that the machines no longer put out wildly differing counts before and after a firmware upgrade?
* Does it mean that logs produced during the forensic analysis no longer showed that a section of code that deliberately weighed Biden votes differently from Trump votes was active and running during the election and subsequent counting?
They seem to be claiming that these things are somehow "no longer true". No explanation for this has been given.
At State Farm Arena in Atlanta, GA on the day of the election, Surveillance video showed workers counting ballots with Republican and Democrat observers present.
At approx. 11:00PM, a woman with long blonde hair is seen talking to a number of the workers and observers. Shortly afterward, all the observers and most of the workers are seen turning and heading for the exit, except for four workers who stayed. Witnesses have described in sworn statements that the woman with long blonde hair had told everyone that everyone was quitting for the night and would resume ballot-counting etc. the following morning.
But the GA Secretary of State’s office later said that no one had told them they were quitting for the night, and that everyone should leave.
"We have launched an investigation into why the monitors from the political parties left before scanning ended," the secretary of state's office said. "While it was their right to leave early, we want to make certain they were not misled into thinking scanning had stopped for the night when it had not." https://www.thecentersquare.com/geor...598f7c336.html
The Secretary of State’s representative making this statement was not sworn to tell the truth, unlike witnesses who WERE sworn and made statements saying they WERE told that everybody was to leave.
Atlanta election officials have since said that the videos show “normal ballot procedures”, as though counting ballots after sending the observers out of the room, in flat violation of Georgia law, was somehow “normal”.
Rudy Giuliani gave a press conference on Nov. 19, 2020 in which he described various direct evidence of fraud. 60 different people swore out affidavits, under penalty of perjury, that they had volunteered to come to the ballot-counting rooms to observe the counting and tabulating of ballots; and that they had been physically prevented from doing so, in violation of state laws.
Giuliani also mentioned a woman in Michigan named Jessie Jacob whose job was to collect mail-in ballots, who signed a similar affidavit (again under penalty of perjury) that her supervisor had ordered her and the other employees to deliberately falsify the date on the mail-in ballots, to reflect an earlier date than the actual date they were mailed. Again in flat violation of Michigan state election law.
See the above video at 16:20 to hear about it.
Giuliani has dozens of other sworn affidavits from other employees, volunteers etc. describing illegal behavior with ballots. Being sworn before an office of the court, under threat of the penalty for perjury, these are all direct evidence of violations of election law and ballot fraud. Giuliani and the rest of Trump’s legal team are collecting more and more such evidence as time goes on.
So much for endless repetitions of "There isn't any evidence". You Democrats, how many such examples would it take to convince you? (A rhetorical question, they would NEVER be convinced).
Leftists who keep insisting there is “no evidence of fraud or election lawbreaking”, are either astoundingly ignorant of the truth, or are aware of the truth and are lying to you, trying to fool you into believing there is none.
Exactly! Trump said he lost due to fraud and they ran with it. He also he lost to Hillary in CA and a few caucus states to Ted Cruz which he also claimed as fraud. The Trumpster's refuse to see the pattern here.
There's a national election only once every four years. But if you want that day off, I'm down with that.
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Get rid of mail in ballots for those who do not have a valid reason to have one.
The ONLY people who should receive a mail in ballot are people who are disabled, and military personnel who are out of the country, and that's it.
That leaves out: people working a 12-hour shift, people out of town on business, elderly people, people who would need assistance in the voting booth, people with no transportation. I'm sure I'm leaving out a whole lot more.
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Originally Posted by moneill
There is zero evidence of widespread fraud.
So trying to find solutions to a non-existing problem is an interesting approach.
Spot on. Let's invent a problem so we can impose our solution on the voting populace.
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Originally Posted by RowingFiend
Except it does when said blue states pass laws enabling one party to cheat at will. And then the officials responsible for investigating and prosecuting the cheating are in on it.
You're gonna need to provide evidence on that one.
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Originally Posted by Corrie22
...would that be the same people that say they are too stupid to get an ID
I keep seeing this repeated over and over again by conservatives. Who, exactly, said that?
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Originally Posted by rjshae
Stop pretending fake, non-existent, fantasy fraud is real fraud. Problem solved.
End of thread!
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Originally Posted by stank1964
All reasonable people know that election fraud happens all the time. To state anything otherwise is not factually correct...
Sure it does. You always get someone voting twice, someone using their dead mother's ballot, etc. But it's not rampant, it's not coordinated, it's not some nefarious conspiracy - except in the minds of butthurt ex-president Trump and his minions.
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Originally Posted by bergun
I also think that all the major National elections days should be made into a federal holiday, which the sole purpose of having the time to walk or drive to an authorized place to cast your vote.
Again, national elections occur only once every four years. All other elections are local and state.
What happens if you can't walk or drive?
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Originally Posted by miquel_westano
I don't care about parties, I care about the results of the elections. After this last one, thanks to biden and the uninformed that voted for him just because he wasn't Donald Trump we have:
Meh. More than half of that either did start happening under Trump, or would have happened anyway. But this gave me a chuckle:
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the push to lower the voting age to 18
The 26th Amendment to the US Constitution doing just that was ratified in ... (*drum roll*) 1971.
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^most pro-American post I've ever seen
Sure, if you like one-party dictatorships. Kinda sounds like China or North Korea.
So trying to find solutions to a non-existing problem is an interesting approach.
There's no evidence of widespread killing of unarmed Blacks by police, yet you liberals are willing to dismantle the entire criminal justice system to solve a statistically insignificant problem. At least try to be consistent.
Oh, you misused the term "non-existing". Voter fraud does exist. There are actual documented cases. Google is your friend. How widespread it is is an entirely different question. I'll bet I can find more documented cases of voter fraud than you can find unjustified shootings of unarmed Black men.
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There has always been some voting fraud and always will be, because there will always be dishonest people, and the vote outcome provides strong motivation for the dishonest. Just one small example: My mother-in-law passed in 2013, we still get her ballot for every election. I tear it up, but you can figure that this happens all over the country, and it would be easy enough to forge the signature of a deceased loved one, copying from their old papers. You would think that the County Voting people would have an interface with the County death records, but no. (We're not about to pay the county $25 for a copy of the death certificate to send to the county voting center). Beyond that there are the people that collect ballots from drop-boxes, polling place workers, software developers, and others with opportunities to tamper. So yes, in a really close election the outcome could be affected by fraud.
There has always been some voting fraud and always will be, because there will always be dishonest people, and the vote outcome provides strong motivation for the dishonest. Just one small example: My mother-in-law passed in 2013, we still get her ballot for every election. I tear it up, but you can figure that this happens all over the country, and it would be easy enough to forge the signature of a deceased loved one, copying from their old papers. You would think that the County Voting people would have an interface with the County death records, but no. (We're not about to pay the county $25 for a copy of the death certificate to send to the county voting center). Beyond that there are the people that collect ballots from drop-boxes, polling place workers, software developers, and others with opportunities to tamper. So yes, in a really close election the outcome could be affected by fraud.
Changing the outcome of a presidential election would require massive fraud on a level we have not seen.
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