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Old 10-28-2021, 08:30 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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With all due respect, you can’t be serious. If you want us to believe that the clowns running our government in this country are capable of conducting a fair, honest and fraudless election, I think you’ve taken up permanent residence in a fake and non-existent fantasy land.
Bzzt. Incorrect. Presidential elections are run by the state governments.
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Old 10-28-2021, 08:33 PM
 
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There is zero evidence of widespread fraud.

So trying to find solutions to a non-existing problem is an interesting approach.
Whether there is or not, what is wrong with the above rules? I think fraud is widespread and mostly one sided, but whether I am right or you are, what is wrong with the above?
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Old 10-28-2021, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Bzzt. Incorrect. Presidential elections are run by the state governments.
Well, he just said that his government was clowns. At least for us elections are mostly run by the country government although the state does set some general rules that the counties all need to follow. Brass tacks it's the county commissioners. I'm not sure where his clown government is. Here in California the elections are painfully slow. I wish they could get results sooner but they're very thorough about things, give lots of time for ballots to get mailed in, then there's the curing process for any ballots with signatures that don't match and so on and all of that takes time. If the election is very close it takes forever. Really that doesn't matter so much though as the official results just do anyway. It'd be nice to have same night unofficial results but what really matters is what the county commissioners sign off on anyway which takes weeks.
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Old 10-28-2021, 08:42 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Try a civics course.
If you actually paid any attention to a civics course you would know that states have control of their voting. If you want to impose some federal restrictions or requirements on states, they would be applied to red states trying to keep people from voting. I know that you don't want blue states voting in presidential elections but they do get to vote. That was probably covered in civics class, too.
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Old 10-28-2021, 08:44 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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First, make election day a federal holiday.
Get rid of mail in ballots for those who do not have a valid reason to have one.
The ONLY people who should receive a mail in ballot are people who are disabled, and military personnel who are out of the country, and that's it.

As in years past, candidates running for office, made sure people voting their party, got transportation to the polls.
That was not an issue.
For those voting by mail, their ballots must be postmarked no later than the last day of October.
All mail in ballots would be counted, and accounted for before the general election in November.
The only voting on election day would be done in person, at the polls.
ID would be required for anyone voting.
If you can't furnish ID, then you can't vote.

The reason this is not being done presently is because it is much to simple, and those in charge want confusion so the voting public doesn't have a clue what is going on.
I'm fine with making Election Day a federal holiday.

There is zero evidence of widespread fraud. You are trying to find solutions to non-existing problems. The few problems of election fraud have been people trying to vote more than once by voting in someone else's name, usually a dead relative.

Mail in voting is necessary. People travel for work and the don't know their schedule ahead of time. My wife works 50 miles away and has missed voting because she didn't make it to the polls in time.

I'm fine with requiring ID.
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Old 10-28-2021, 08:49 PM
 
Location: A Beautiful DEEP RED State
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How do we stop fraud?

Voter ID and only allow voting in person.

If you notice, Democrats are against both. That's very telling.
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Old 10-28-2021, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Originally Posted by CALGUY View Post
First, make election day a federal holiday.
Get rid of mail in ballots for those who do not have a valid reason to have one.
The ONLY people who should receive a mail in ballot are people who are disabled, and military personnel who are out of the country, and that's it.

As in years past, candidates running for office, made sure people voting their party, got transportation to the polls.
That was not an issue.
For those voting by mail, their ballots must be postmarked no later than the last day of October.
All mail in ballots would be counted, and accounted for before the general election in November.
The only voting on election day would be done in person, at the polls.
ID would be required for anyone voting.
If you can't furnish ID, then you can't vote.

The reason this is not being done presently is because it is much to simple, and those in charge want confusion so the voting public doesn't have a clue what is going on.
But what if doing the above doesn't work to get Republicans elected, especially presidents?
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Old 10-28-2021, 08:56 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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All reasonable people know that election fraud happens all the time. To state anything otherwise is not factually correct...
This is pure BS. There have been countless examinations of voting and the incidence of fraud is rare and insignificant. In spite of what you or Trump or his minions believe, just because the other side wins is not proof of fraud. The fact that voting preferences in one state or another change from one party to another is not proof of voter fraud. It is not for you to decide whether a state's voting regulations are adequate or enforced as you want. What's more, the few instances of voter fraud that have been identified in recent years are almost always perpetrated by the Republicans.

On another topic, I don't have a problem with a national election day holiday. What about local elections or statewide elections? Corporate America will not want to have yet another paid holiday. Instead they, and apparently millions of voters, would prefer voting by mail.
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Old 10-28-2021, 08:58 PM
 
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First you have to prove there is fraud to prevent before we make it more difficult to vote. Voting should be made as easy as possible for all citizens. Automatically register every citizen to vote. Automatically mail them a mail in ballot (people have been voting by mail since the civil war, with no issue). Give flexibility in times and locations to vote in person and to drop off mail in ballots. We need to stop putting hurdles in the way of people voting.
Wrong on so many levels. First you don't have to prove anything to amend laws. I don't see anyone proving 21 is a mature drinking age and 20 is not. It was an arbitrary number agreed on because people felt it was right. How did they prove 70MPH was safe and 71MPH was not? There is no burden of proof on laws. If there was we would have a lot less of them.

Voting should not be made easy for everyone. It actually should be harder for anyone to vote. Then the responsible who understood the importance would vote and the irresponsible would blow it off. That would make the input of the responsible weigh more heavily than people who didn't really care. Most irresponsible people don't even know what a candidate's position is, just the party they represent. They have zero business deciding who is elected.

People may have been mail in voting since the Civil War, but not without issue. Mail in ballots have always been suspect, and now they are more than ever. If you can't get to the polls with all the notice given in a national election; you are either too stupid, lazy or irresponsible to vote. I would give exception to anyone legitimately handicapped or hospitalized, with a doctor's sworn affidavit, subject to prosecution if the doctor gave the affidavit knowingly to enable a fraudulent vote.

We need many more hurdles in the way of voting. Hurdles do not deter one single responsible citizen from voting. I am fine with nationalizing the presidential vote and letting military vote on the base they are assigned to, or setting up field polls for them. But, I am not fine with lazy, ignorant and irresponsible voters being helped to vote solely to benefit one party.
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Old 10-28-2021, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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democrats would never allow a fair election
Considering how much Republicans feel deeply intense hatred and resentment against Democrats, why trust Republicans to allow for fair elections? It's why we have Republican, Democrat and independent vote counters watching each other on election day.
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