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Old 04-07-2022, 08:18 PM
 
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yep it is sad, unfortunately ocean water is not drinking water....

but you would think, that California would be """leading the way""" with some sort of desalination process, but they would rather TAKE another states water....and its been that way for 100 years
That's what I mean. If the Saudis can desal the Red Sea into drinking water, one would think California, with so much tax money floating around and so many top tier institutions, would easily be able to desal the Pacific.

Oh wait....they're too busy chopping off little boys' private parts.
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Old 04-07-2022, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Take a look at the water levels in Lake Powell now.


uhm

Due to its high desert location and huge surface area, Lake Powell loses an average of 860,000 AF of water annually to evaporation and bank seepage. Glen Canyon Dam is unnecessary and counterproductive to the water storage and delivery purposes for which it was built. https://www.glencanyon.org/lake-powe...%20was%20built.



https://navajotimes.com/reznews/page...not-drying-up/



now on the other had...California....


the west (California to be specific) is/has been running out of water for centuries....


25% of the entire states water comes from the Colorado river (ie another state)




As people flocked to the mild climate and agricultural richness of southern California in the late 1800s and early 1900s, it was quickly apparent that the region’s water supply wouldn’t support the swelling population. Several water projects were built to import the precious resource to Southern California and the Central Valley.


The Colorado Aqueduct, built in the 1930s, transports water from the Colorado River to Southern California. It's operated by the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California (MWD) and is the region’s primary source of drinking water.




you have never heard of the "California water wars".... it goes back to 1863..... or the first LA aqueduct in 1886..... we are talking 150 years of people saying running out of water..... and it IS happening
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Old 04-07-2022, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Born + raised SF Bay; Tyler, TX now WNY
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Solar has some promise, if the environmentalists would quit eating their own.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan...Power_Facility

Capacity factor is less than 1/3 of nuclear, but about double that of regular photovoltaic solar. It’s next-gen stuff, but a bird die-off set environmentalists against it despite the fact that the underlying problem was solved.
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Old 04-07-2022, 11:40 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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The need to drop their platform altogether and start living in reality
I am a Democrat, but your suggestion is like directing pigs to fly.
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Old 04-07-2022, 11:46 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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BeachGecko, no, it's not that simple.

You believe when USA cities on our ocean costs are flooded, incidences and severity of hurricanes and tornadoes will increase, while due to climate changes food for USA consumers will be scarcer and of greater cost, would not be net detrimental to our nation? All of the greater national economies (which includes USA) will be severely net harmed by global warming.

Refer to A Degree of Concern: Why Global Temperatures Matter – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet (nasa.gov)
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2865/a...atures-matter/

Respectfully, Supposn
How do you know that any of your mitigation measures will change a single temperature by a single degree 15 years from now? Or 15 years from now, how any of the catastrophically expensive proposals have worked?
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Old 04-25-2022, 04:44 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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How do you know that any of your mitigation measures will change a single temperature by a single degree 15 years from now? Or 15 years from now, how any of the catastrophically expensive proposals have worked?
Jbgusa, you believe the United States of America cease existing within the duration of 1, or a few generations of its populations?
All other national governments of the world's major economies have committed themselves to bearing their portions of the costs to preserve the world's environment. But they're less likely to succeed, (i.e. the United States is more likely to be severely economically impacted) if the United States doesn't do its share.

China's pandemic is now the world's pandemic that's been fully detrimental to the USA. Similarly, the effects due to global warming will be environmentally and economically fully detrimental to the USA.
Respectfully, Supposn
I repeat, how do you know that any of your mitigation measures will change a single temperature by a single degree 15 years from now? Or 15 years from now, how any of the catastrophically expensive proposals have worked? "Doing our share" is what a Fourth Grade teacher tells his/her/its students when asking the to pick up litter on the schoolyard as an environmental project. Making drastic, unproven changes is in a different category.
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Old 04-25-2022, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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How do you know that any of your mitigation measures will change a single temperature by a single degree 15 years from now? Or 15 years from now, how any of the catastrophically expensive proposals have worked?
So we shouldn't do anything even though we know greenhouse gases are increasing warming in the atmosphere, just let the it roll.

If you had stage 1 cancer would you give up treatment.

Remediation will come at a cost but we can see the extensive damage being done by climate change, that will only get worse if you believe in the predictions by NASA and the other scientific organizations. Besides moving away from fossil fuels for energy independence makes a lot of sense.
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Old 04-25-2022, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Earth
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"The Democrats need to drop the climate change issue."

I disagree. Climate change always happens naturally. Humans are speeding up the process with abusing our natural resources. And Reps should get on board.
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Old 04-25-2022, 07:40 AM
 
Location: The Piedmont of North Carolina
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So we shouldn't do anything even though we know greenhouse gases are increasing warming in the atmosphere, just let the it roll.

If you had stage 1 cancer would you give up treatment.

Remediation will come at a cost but we can see the extensive damage being done by climate change, that will only get worse if you believe in the predictions by NASA and the other scientific organizations. Besides moving away from fossil fuels for energy independence makes a lot of sense.
Does it bother you that that you, and other Progressives on this forum, keep posting vague statements with no facts to back them up, and they only serve to drive fear in people? The modern climate movement has NOTHING to do with climate. It is all about power and control.
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Old 04-25-2022, 08:18 AM
 
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"The Democrats need to drop the climate change issue."

I disagree. Climate change always happens naturally. Humans are speeding up the process with abusing our natural resources. And Reps should get on board.
Biden first. We'll think about it when Biden gives up AF1, makes the Secret Service ditch their tanks and change them all to Teslas, the White House goes completely off the grid and 100% renewables, you know the drill. Let me know when he ceases consuming anything made with fossil fuels.

That goes for the entire Democratic Party, at the local, state and federal level.

Until then, the Climate Change Nazis can kiss my ass - you'll have to excuse me, I gotta go idle my car, throw a bunch of single use plastics in the regular trash, and turn up my furnace to 95F for no reason.
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