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Old 12-03-2021, 08:53 AM
 
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Wow. You don't even know about the police report and the multiple other witnesses?

Apparently, you have been reading these other posters comments and believing them when they kept leaving out the other witnesses and describing it as this lone menacing biker that followed her home.

You've been deceived and you shouldn't be happy about it.
Just like the Kyle Rittenhouse case, numerous posters commenting and it was obvious they did not watch/read one thing from the trial, yet they had to keep commenting.
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Old 12-03-2021, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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Just like the Kyle Rittenhouse case, numerous posters commenting and it was obvious they did not watch/read one thing from the trial, yet they had to keep commenting.
Much of the misinformation in the Rittenhouse case was due to people who had listened to initial media reports and made up their mind early on, before all the facts were known.

This is an interesting case full of issues that should be investigated and discussed fully before deciding. I appreciate those who continue to try to discuss factual and legal issues despite the pack of posters here who think they know it all already and attack anyone who asks the wrong questions.

Self defense is something I care about and think a lot about. IF it turns out this is a justified self defense shooting BY THE BIKER, I think it will be one of the few cases EVER where a single woman, followed home by a three guys, could be killed in her own yard and be called the aggressor. I UNDERSTAND the issues you guys are hanging this argument on, based on the earlier traffic kerfuffle. I still think it represents a pretty rare situation. Don't you?

No "moth to the light" here. I'm interested in this STORY, not the already-made-up minds of a few people here.
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Old 12-03-2021, 09:17 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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He rammed her? Do you have proof of this, beyond the words of the man trying to justify shooting the woman who supposedly "rammed him twice?"
All any of us can do is speculate, since we do not have the facts yet.
Are you saying she didn't hit him?
Do you have proof that he'd done that to another woman, that was being claimed in here?
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Old 12-03-2021, 09:27 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Originally Posted by Mathguy View Post
Wow. You don't even know about the police report and the multiple other witnesses?

Apparently, you have been reading these other posters comments and believing them when they kept leaving out the other witnesses and describing it as this lone menacing biker that followed her home.

You've been deceived and you shouldn't be happy about it.
That is part of the problem. People are reading random comments from random posters who post unproven comments as truth underneath media stories and police reports....and they will run with those unproven comments thinking the comments must be true, since it's on the internet or something.
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Old 12-03-2021, 09:32 AM
 
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Much of the misinformation in the Rittenhouse case was due to people who had listened to initial media reports and made up their mind early on, before all the facts were known.

This is an interesting case full of issues that should be investigated and discussed fully before deciding. I appreciate those who continue to try to discuss factual and legal issues despite the pack of posters here who think they know it all already and attack anyone who asks the wrong questions.

Self defense is something I care about and think a lot about. IF it turns out this is a justified self defense shooting BY THE BIKER, I think it will be one of the few cases EVER where a single woman, followed home by a three guys, could be killed in her own yard and be called the aggressor. I UNDERSTAND the issues you guys are hanging this argument on, based on the earlier traffic kerfuffle. I still think it represents a pretty rare situation. Don't you?

No "moth to the light" here. I'm interested in this STORY, not the already-made-up minds of a few people here.
Your narrative completely skipped over everything illegal she did including trying to pass off the felonies she committed as a "traffic kerfuffle" left out her approaching them and pointing a gun and just plopped down on the end result. Let's say the guy didn't shoot her nor her them...in that case, how many different felonies could the police have charged her with?

You can't understand why she could be called an aggressor by moving towards people on a public roadway and pointing a gun at them.

P.S. Earlier in the thread you stated that the shooter was in her front yard.

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And I still say it may be arguable who had more of a right to self defense in her front yard. I don't know for sure yet.
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Old 12-03-2021, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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Originally Posted by Mathguy View Post
Your narrative completely skipped over everything illegal she did including trying to pass off the felonies she committed as a "traffic kerfuffle" left out her approaching them and pointing a gun and just plopped down on the end result. Let's say the guy didn't shoot her nor her them...in that case, how many different felonies could the police have charged her with?

You can't understand why she could be called an aggressor by moving towards people on a public roadway and pointing a gun at them.

P.S. Earlier in the thread you stated that the shooter was in her front yard.
I didn't skip over it, I mentioned it. I do think it's interesting, but not the ONLY interesting thing.

The important part of my last quote is that it may be arguable. I still think that. I don't know everything that took place. No one here does.


And FWIW, I don't expect to learn everything from anyone here. It's all just entertaining discussion.
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Old 12-03-2021, 09:45 AM
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Am I the only one who thinks the vigilante biker who followed her to her residence is just as bad as the woman?

You don’t follow people home. Period.
Really. All of these people supporting him shooting her are maybe as nuts as the biker and the woman.

So yeah, its not unusual to see a group of psychos.
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Old 12-03-2021, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Originally Posted by Diana Holbrook View Post
Much of the misinformation in the Rittenhouse case was due to people who had listened to initial media reports and made up their mind early on, before all the facts were known.

This is an interesting case full of issues that should be investigated and discussed fully before deciding. I appreciate those who continue to try to discuss factual and legal issues despite the pack of posters here who think they know it all already and attack anyone who asks the wrong questions.

Self defense is something I care about and think a lot about. IF it turns out this is a justified self defense shooting BY THE BIKER, I think it will be one of the few cases EVER where a single woman, followed home by a three guys, could be killed in her own yard and be called the aggressor. I UNDERSTAND the issues you guys are hanging this argument on, based on the earlier traffic kerfuffle. I still think it represents a pretty rare situation. Don't you?

No "moth to the light" here. I'm interested in this STORY, not the already-made-up minds of a few people here.
It would be rare as it’s unlikely many would be so stupid as she was from beginning to end.
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Old 12-03-2021, 09:50 AM
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What are they going to put him away for? Self defense?
The same thing they put those two guys away in Brunswick, GA. They followed the guy, initiated a confrontation and killed him when he came at them while following him.
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Old 12-03-2021, 09:51 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by Diana Holbrook View Post
I didn't skip over it, I mentioned it. I do think it's interesting, but not the ONLY interesting thing.

The important part of my last quote is that it may be arguable. I still think that. I don't know everything that took place. No one here does.


And FWIW, I don't expect to learn everything from anyone here. It's all just entertaining discussion.
The one thing 100 percent we should all agree with is that it is illegal to aim a gun at someone. If you can't agree with that the rest of your "input" should be rolled in cat litter.
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