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Well, somebody has to. That's how change occurs. Someone steps forward and challenges the status quo.
Of course she has the right to do this if she wishes.
In terms of "status quo"... I suppose that's true as "status quo" refers to what's in place right now.
The background is this:
The law was only passed in 2019.
Prior to that, Quebec had been on a clear (some would say hell-bent) path to secularism since the 1960s. After being effectively a priest-ridden society for a couple of centuries.
There has been a debate here for just over 10 years about religion slowly and subtly creeping back into public life and institutions. Basically a reversal of the trend that we'd been seeing for about five decades.
This was mostly symbolized by increasing requests for religious accommodation and exceptions. I.e. these rules apply to everyone but we don't think they should apply to us because... religion, and religion gives us a free pass for (almost) everything.
And so this law is meant as a line in the sand to make things clear that while religious freedom does exist here (we're probably still in the top rung in the world), it's not going to be a free pass that always can get you out of everything you don't like.
I understand that this might offend multiculturalist Anglosphere sensibilities, but at least now you have the genesis and rationale for these measures.
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Of course she has the right to do this if she wishes.
In terms of "status quo"... I suppose that's true as "status quo" refers to what's in place right now.
The background is this:
The law was only passed in 2019.
Prior to that, Quebec had been on a clear (some would say hell-bent) path to secularism since the 1960s. After being effectively a priest-ridden society for a couple of centuries.
There has been a debate here for just over 10 years about religion slowly and subtly creeping back into public life and institutions. Basically a reversal of the trend that we'd been seeing for about five decades.
This was mostly symbolized by increasing requests for religious accommodation and exceptions. I.e. these rules apply to everyone but we don't think they should apply to us because... religion, and religion gives us a free pass for (almost) everything.
And so this law is meant as a line in the sand to make things clear that while religious freedom does exist here (we're probably still in the top rung in the world), it's not going to be a free pass that always can get you out of everything you don't like.
I understand that this might offend multiculturalist Anglosphere sensibilities, but at least now you have the genesis and rationale for these measures.
The same man who sponsored the bill in 2019 cancelled approved immigration requests for questionable reasons, and created a "values test" that immigrants must pass in order to be accepted. And some of the questions directly disagree with Muslim beliefs.
The same man who sponsored the bill in 2019 cancelled approved immigration requests for questionable reasons, and created a "values test" that immigrants must pass in order to be accepted. And some of the questions directly disagree with Muslim beliefs.
So there's that.
Yeah, the values test has questions like:
Men and women have equal rights under the law in Quebec. True or false?
Or a series of images showing a man and a woman, two men, or two women, with the question: who can get married in Quebec (select all of the images to which this applies)?
What could the purpose of this action possibly be, except to bar Muslims from positions of authority and respect?
According to the article, this was passed in 2019.
Other than people being irritated/frightened that Muslims are doing well, why bar them from succeeding?
And anyone who says well, they can just wear their hijab privately but not when out in public. No, they can't. Exactly the opposite.
If you're going to pass a law like this, and defend it, best to just own it. They are afraid of the growing Muslim population and want to nip it in the bud. Make their community unwelcoming, so hopefully the Muslims will go away.
Not quite.
Who says that a good or even true Muslim woman has to cover up? Most Muslim women in Quebec, the rest of Canada and the US don't cover up.
In any event, this process wasn't even triggered by anti-Muslim angst.
The whole debate began with Hasidic Jews in Montreal complaining that women exercising in a local gym in skimpy clothing were visible from the street.
They also asked for exemptions from parking rules due to their religious practices.
And it was found that certain communities in Montreal were asking the police not to send female officers to deal with their community, and the cops were complying or considering complying. In the latter case I do think it was both the Hasidim and Muslims involved. Though not together... of course!
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Yeah, the values test has questions like:
Men and women have equal rights under the law in Quebec. True or false?
Or a series of images showing a man and a woman, two men, or two women, with the question: who can get married in Quebec (select all of the images to which this applies)?
I at least know which side I am on for this.
The question that I read, randomly generated from the test, you have to agree that men and women have the same rights and responsibilities, both in public and private life. I read a random generator, and the question didn't pop up again, but here's a mention of it in this article:
There is no double standard. A nun's habit is not allowed, and neither is a hijab.
The lefters would poop themselves if a teacher walked out in a public school wearing a habit. Then they would try to burn down the school. Then they would try and get all "The flying Nun" movies banned.
The question that I read, randomly generated from the test, you have to agree that men and women have the same rights and responsibilities, both in public and private life. I read a random generator, and the question didn't pop up again, but here's a mention of it in this article:
And no, Muslims do not believe that, and no one (IMHO) should have to agree that in their private home, men and women have the same responsibilities.
While on the surface this sounds pretty unassailable, there is more nuance to this than you are accounting for.
For starters, responsibilities and roles in private life between men and women are generally something those two people work out themselves.
But male-female rights still aren't really that negotiable in private settings from a legal perspective. A woman still retains her legal rights to leave her husband or make a complaint about him to the police even if they are in a traditional marriage relationship.
Minors (think girls) also retain a certain number of equal (to boys) rights under sex and gender laws, even in private family settings.
Sorry to say this, but if people can't even accept that, then yeah maybe it's best for everyone if they don't move here.
Reportedly, it has substantial public support in Quebec.
Crosses are not in the same category as turbans, kippot, and hijabs.
This is Christian hegemony masquerading as secularism.
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