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Old 01-04-2022, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Southeast US
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Originally Posted by TMSRetired View Post
Maybe they are reporting "shattered records" for 2022 seeing we're only 4 days in
it's the only plausible answer. I note the OP has not reappeared since launching his grenade.

 
Old 01-04-2022, 09:18 AM
 
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FL had a small bump last year, but their "peaks" have been both summers. Their largest peak, this summer with Delta. Then Omicron - they've exceeded summer (cases) levels since Christmas Day. Hospitalizations everywhere in the US have followed cases by 2-5 days. Thus, IF Omicron was going to flood hospitals in FL, then hospitalizations would be at least 5X what they are now.

When LWNJ's want to proclaim he's "only worried about monoclonal antibodies not vaccines and boosters", it's particularly disingenuous and anti-science.

All that's been said is "they may be less effective against Omicron". May be. Less effective. Well, we know a couple of things.

1. The vaccines ARE less effective than we thought.
2. Omicron is NOT the only variant circulating. So, if a doctor looks at a patient and says "you've got Delta" because for example they've lost their sense of smell (not really happening with Omicron), then the monoclonals do work and the doctor's diagnosis (science!) should rule.

3. FL administered 327,000 doses last week - 197,000 of which were booster doses. . http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_pa...ata_latest.pdf
Agreed.

The tactics used by the medical community and politicians should have been completely different. First, state that the virus is the most dangerous for the elderly, obese, and those with comorbidities. Health and fitness, in most cases, are key to protecting oneself from the virus. Mutations will happen, with unknown consequences. Vaccinations will help the severity of infection, in most cases. Encourage health, fitness, sanitizing, distancing, masking (if in close proximity to people), and vaccinations. Then leave it up to the people to decide what is their best course of action.
 
Old 01-04-2022, 09:22 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Does anyone have a overall deaths per 100K total list by state from highest to lowest?

Statista stopped Dec 16 and NYT is behind a paywall.
 
Old 01-04-2022, 09:27 AM
 
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Including some of the same politicians that are "slamming" his state...
Exactly...AOC partying maskless. I guess she agrees with DeSantis's approach at least when she is in Florida.
 
Old 01-04-2022, 09:29 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Originally Posted by TMSRetired View Post
Maybe they are reporting "shattered records" for 2022 seeing we're only 4 days in
I guess the msm hasn't figured out that their continual use of the superlative, even to describe the most mundane of events,
only makes them less credible than they already are.

I'd be embarrassed to be a "journalist" these days.
 
Old 01-04-2022, 09:29 AM
 
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Does anyone have a overall deaths per 100K total list by state from highest to lowest?

Statista stopped Dec 16 and NYT is behind a paywall.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
 
Old 01-04-2022, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Southeast US
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Agreed.

The tactics used by the medical community and politicians should have been completely different. First, state that the virus is the most dangerous for the elderly, obese, and those with comorbidities. Health and fitness, in most cases, are key to protecting oneself from the virus. Mutations will happen, with unknown consequences. Vaccinations will help the severity of infection, in most cases. Encourage health, fitness, sanitizing, distancing, masking (if in close proximity to people), and vaccinations. Then leave it up to the people to decide what is their best course of action.
that's so June 2020.

Anybody with general sense knew that the problem was exactly as you described, so we're all left wondering "Why didn't they do that?"

And then you wonder when some accomplished docs, not "fringe epidemiologists", came out with the Barrington Declaration why they were "attacked" by the 2 most powerful people in the Covid fight - Fauci and Collins - in August '20.

We've been "following the science" alright. The "science" as determined by Collins & Fauci.
 
Old 01-04-2022, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I think there is some hysteria going on with the high number of "positives".
The CFR for Florida is only 1.5% so everyone who catches it is not dying.
The data does not match up to the media hysteria.

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_pa...ata_latest.pdf

And the hospitals are not filling up with covid patients:
https://web.fha.org/External/WCPages...x?ArticleID=92
National and state numbers as it relates to utilization of hospital beds is misleading.

States are split into regions. While there may be a surplus of ICU beds at the state level, there may be an acute shortage at the region level.

People tend to use anecdotal information and apply it broadly.

That someone heard a nurse say no shortage at a particular hospital therefore reports otherwise are lies, is no different than applying a very real regional shortage to the entire country.

There is no shortage of hyperbole and lack of critical thinking going on on all sides of the Covid debate.
 
Old 01-04-2022, 09:34 AM
 
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Does anyone have a overall deaths per 100K total list by state from highest to lowest?

Statista stopped Dec 16 and NYT is behind a paywall.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Just reorder.

Oops, posted already I see.
 
Old 01-04-2022, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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So when Florida numbers are good it is because of DeSantis, when they surge it is the Feds.

YAWN.
Funny how folks are so obsessed with DeSantis and Florida. We love him here and aren’t scared in the least
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