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Old 02-02-2022, 12:36 PM
 
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Exactly. A very astute observation.

The trouble is, the vast majority have been totally brainwashed by the same system that began its life at the turn of the last century. Since then, this Ponzi-pyramid scheme otherwise known as the Federal Reserve System (which is not federal, nor has any reserves) has operated for 100 years, extracting the nation’s and the people’s wealth, slowly, but surely, leading to what was predestined right from the moment of its inception.

The so-called “boomers” didn’t create this system … they just flourished in it because of two basic reasons … the first is, the timing. The system hadn’t accumulated enough debt at that point in time to impede financial prosperity for those willing to work and produce and enjoy the benefits of their labor. Secondly, people were not indoctrinated into these Marxist false beliefs that socialism was the answer to society’s problems. In fact, the kiss of death was inextricably tied to even the rumor that a political figure was a socialist, because we could all see the degradation endemic to socialism, because we witnessed it, first from the National Socialists of Germany (Nazis), and soon after, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic.

Fast forward to today, and half of the nation have been brainwashed into being favorable to socialism. Hell, the Democrat Party might as well rename itself as the Communist Party of America, though the name is already spoken for by the small contingent that still manages the organization. They failed, but channeled their support to the democrat party.

When I fist started reading some of the posts on this thread, I first thought it was a parody, like something you’d find on The Onion, until I realized it wasn’t. So, here is a list of things that are much higher on the blame schedule than just idiotically assigning it to a particular generation referred to as “baby boomers”:

1) the complete lack of knowledge and understanding of history by those generations coming after the boomers.

2) the arrested development of young males who spend more time on skateboards, playing video games, and looking for the latest trend in metro sexual fashion, and how to twirl their hair into man buns.

3) the belief that a carefree, work free lifestyle is owed to them, simply because their mothers got pregnant and didn’t abort them out of pure convenience.

4) those whose ultimate career goal is to be the worlds greatest snow boarders, signing lucrative endorsement contracts so they can live their entire lives as permanent teenagers, or become instagram influencers who teach others all about life, even though they don’t know any more about life than the average baby boomer when they were 10 years old.

5) that everything should be free … because the idea that one must work to gain prosperity in life is an obsolete concept, and not fair or very much fun.

6) when they fail, it’s always someone else’s fault, guaranteeing that they will never learn from their own mistakes, because they never make any.
the complete lack of knowledge and understanding of history by those generations coming after the boomers.


What do you mean by this exactly? What history do you think its missing.

 
Old 02-02-2022, 12:56 PM
 
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So you tell me to speak for myself, and then proceed to give your personal anecdotal story about how at 34 you have a mortgage and kids, and in one of the most expensive places, no less! as if it were reflective of what? That you were born on third base and believe you hit a triple?

Oh please tell us of all your "sacrifices," this I GOTTA hear. Do you actually believe your personal experiences reflect what most people 18-40 are experiencing? Oh let me guess, they are just lazy shiftless do-nothings, unwilling to "sacrifice."

And the first thing you want to see in the future is less people with brown faces - how original.
And here is a classic demonstration of some of the issues we’re pointing out.

The first thing that I detect here is misplaced anger, resentment and jealousy. There was nothing said in this woman’s post you chose to attack that was either unreasonable, or lacking good common sense. Certainly nothing there warranting such a harsh response, and particularly the insinuation of bigotry and racism.

First, the immigration issue is a complete disaster, and a country without secure borders that provide the ability to maintain its integrity by choosing who enters and who doesn’t, isn’t a country. This is a fact that ought to be evident no matter what color your face is. It’s not racist, it’s common sense.

Think about your country as you do about your home … because it is your home. Now, let’s pretend you aren’t a 30 year old freeloader living in your moms basement for a minute, but are instead, a responsible adult out there working your butt off everyday to pay bills. Whether you live in a big house in an expensive neighborhood, or a small apartment is really irrelevant…. you leave out for work one morning, only to return home that evening to find 20 strangers who have kicked open your front door, ransacked and emptied your fridge, and have all of their belongings unpacked for a good long sleep over. The SOBS didn’t even leave you one of those cold beers … they scarfed all 12 of them down.

What are you going to do? Are you going to demand they get the bleep out of your home … dial 911, or are you going to say ‘howdy fellas, welcome! I see we’ve run out of beer … let me run down to the convenience store and get a couple more 12 packs … you guys have any favorites?

I think we all know the answer, but the problem with this socialism thing, and this social justice thing is that the bleeding heart liberals are just fine with this invasion as long as it happens to somebody else, in their house. That’s why Nancy Pelosi has security walls circling her mansion, but claims it to be right wing racism to build a wall at the southern border. She has a similar view of things when it comes to locking you down, while she breaks the rules to allow the beauty shop to open for long enough to do her hair.

Now I get the frustration factor being experienced by many … including, but not limited to younger people these days. You have good reasons to be angry about a lot of things, as do most of us … the problem is, you don’t like the situation, but you have no idea what caused it, and therefore you don’t have a clue of who to blame, or what is needed to fix it. So, you assume things. When you see someone you believe to have it much easier and much better than you have it, you see unfairness, and inequality, much like you did when you made the remark to the other poster “so you were born on third base and believe you hit a triple?” You really don’t know the circumstances of that person. Maybe the were or maybe they made a couple of well timed investments, or just worked their asses off. But even if they were “born on third base” what of it? You blame them? Blame the stork for dropping you off at the wrong address … I do that sometimes. LOL.

At the end of the day, we’re all getting screwed royally, even though many have no idea how badly. Us older folks have a broader frame of reference … we know how things were back 40 years ago, from personal experience, which probably doesn’t fit with the bull$hit narrative fed you in school.

To give you little missing perspective, and I would first caution you that in order to verify the following, you’ll have to do some digging, because if you use Google and search “average cost of a home in 1913’” you’re going to be fed more false BS in charts telling you how much better you have it today, than back then, and it just shows to what extent the propaganda has evolved to keep you clueless ….

Back in 1913, the average home cost around $3,000, and this was also the time when Henry Ford was making the first automobiles and paying his workers $5 per day, or about 50 cents an hour. (I picked that date because it was when the Federal Reserve Act was fraudulently snuck through Congress while most of the members were home for Christmas holiday. Yes the shenanigans in Congress are nothing new). OK?

Now let’s do some math. Working 6 days per week at $5 per day came out to be about $1,585 per year. That’s roughly 52% of the cost of that $3,000 home per year in income. Today’s median home price in the US is $409,000, while it is only $220,000 in Michigan, the huge difference being the disastrous economic hardship experienced due to the automotive industry over the past few years and worsening. In any event, if you applied the same ratio equation between annual income and home pricing then and now, you would have to make between $114,000-$212,000 per year in todays economy compared to 1913. And it’s really much worse than that, because today, you have 30 year mortgages which mean tons of interest paid to the banks, compared to very small amounts back then. You also didn’t have income tax back then, which will equate to another 25% - 35% or more of your income in those upper income ranges. Now, how does that mesh with the average income in the US today, which is $57,000 per year? It means that the $5 per day Ford assembly line worker made close to double the amount of money in purchasing power, to that of a the average worker today.

It’s even harder for many who don’t even come close to $57,000/year average. If you’re making $10/hr, you’re really stuck between a rock and a hard place. But put in proper perspective, and in real terms, those skilled tech workers making $10,000+ per month are making almost, but not quite the same effective wage as the $5 per day Ford worker in 1913. So much for those 6 figure wealthy folks who were born on 3rd base, huh?

And it’s going to get much worse, very quickly, as inflation rates are rapidly rising. This is a preplanned premeditated implosion of the economy, in order to facilitate the “great reset” and Uncle Joe’s build back better plans, which don’t include anything better for you and me. But they will do whatever they can to make sure you and I fight over what’s left ….

I’m sure you’ll accommodate them, because if you’re angry now, you’re really gonna be screaming mad soon enough, and you’ll need some one to blame, but it won’t be the people who robbed you, and raped you with syringes filled with poison, because of course, everybody knows, that’s just a whacky conspiracy theory.

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Old 02-02-2022, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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If anything... seems like the older folks worry that younger generations are setting themselves up for a fall by not adequately realizing and preparing for what's to come. Your future is our reality and some sage advice and reflection has been posted by the grayhairs.



^^^this
 
Old 02-02-2022, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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If you want to push for unions and higher wages - go for it. More power to you. But keep in mind that means higher costs passed onto everyone including yourself.
An extra $3/hr for a more expensive burger... tough call, huh?

Corporate media and their brainwashed minions: Yeah, you definitely don't want that!

Nobody thinks that wage argument through, they just parrot that conservative talking point because they don't understand the economics. Sometimes (but not all the time), there comes a point where an increase in labor price will force a business to either:

1. Shut down entirely
2. Continue making (less) profit at a different price point

In scenario 2, workers gain standing (all workers in the labor market, not just the minimum wagers), the consumer eats a bit of loss, and the corp usually eats it the most. Boo hoo. This has an added effect of increasing aggregate demand for said burgers
 
Old 02-02-2022, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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Oh, hell, that's an extremely complicated piece of history - which technically included two separate changes in government - with a lot of moving parts that are easily mixed up. I wouldn't fault anyone for not knowing the details.


I'm not into hookers or blow, but if you pan fry radishes with onions in butter, they taste like hash browns.

you missed my point, the utes dont even know THERE WAS ONE.


FWIW, it didnt seem all that complicated when we covered it in HS, c. 1980
 
Old 02-02-2022, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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Boomer here, and I think part of the original question has been lost, how will you pay for all of your "free" items on your list?

boomer?


 
Old 02-02-2022, 01:03 PM
 
Location: California
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We already pay more for healthcare per capita than any other country. With underperforming results. Just to line the pockets of health insurance companies which are making record profits.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/...tary-spending/
Nah it's just a matter of who's pockets you're going to line but trust me, you won't be getting anything good "for free". And if you line the governments pockets they have a lot more ways to waste your money than ins companies do and control every aspect of your life while doing so.
 
Old 02-02-2022, 01:34 PM
 
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An extra $3/hr for a more expensive burger... tough call, huh?

Corporate media and their brainwashed minions: Yeah, you definitely don't want that!

Nobody thinks that wage argument through, they just parrot that conservative talking point because they don't understand the economics. Sometimes (but not all the time), there comes a point where an increase in labor price will force a business to either:

1. Shut down entirely
2. Continue making (less) profit at a different price point

In scenario 2, workers gain standing (all workers in the labor market, not just the minimum wagers), the consumer eats a bit of loss, and the corp usually eats it the most. Boo hoo. This has an added effect of increasing aggregate demand for said burgers
The problem with your logic is that most business are small businesses - something like 75%-80%. As costs increase supply chain wide - everything goes up - not just labor. It's not the more expensive burger - it's everything else that goes along with it. The $15/hr. minimum wage experiment shows what will happen. Many places go out of business, some survive and more and more people decide to stay home and make their own burgers - reducing demand which will put even more burger joints out of business - increasing those wanting unemployment benefits. Just wait until inflation really kicks in and people no longer have the same disposable income they once had. Burgergedon.

Now for essential services and products - capitalism is handling this just fine. Skilled workers are demanding higher wages and getting it. There is no perfect system - sorry. Conservatism is a virtue not a determent -- and if we really practiced it -- we wouldn't be in this mess. Capitalism has been co-opted by politicians - so if you want to have a better system - demand term limits and ban the insider trading they enjoy.
 
Old 02-02-2022, 01:39 PM
 
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Nah it's just a matter of who's pockets you're going to line but trust me, you won't be getting anything good "for free". And if you line the governments pockets they have a lot more ways to waste your money than ins companies do and control every aspect of your life while doing so.
Well right now we're getting the "best of both worlds" with tax money being taken by insurance companies for profit for administering medicare/medicaid after the gooberment has already had its hands on it.

The question of how to pay for it is indeed how do we spend the current money more efficiently. Our current system isn't getting good results considering it is the most expensive.
 
Old 02-02-2022, 01:48 PM
 
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Well right now we're getting the "best of both worlds" with tax money being taken by insurance companies for profit for administering medicare/medicaid after the gooberment has already had its hands on it.

The question of how to pay for it is indeed how do we spend the current money more efficiently. Our current system isn't getting good results considering it is the most expensive.
Yes and putting the money in the hands of a bunch of morons who have a long and illustrious history of spending like drunken sailors while getting absolutely nothing done and making the problem worse is certainly not going to accomplish what you're seeking to accomplish. The latest spendfest they passed only has 1/3 of the total price tag allocated to its stated purpose. ONE THIRD. 67 cents of every dollar spent under that bill is literally getting flushed straight down the toilet, never to be seen again.

The only way to make healthcare more affordable is through organic competition and technological innovation. Government single payer anything stifles both.

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